FallenSwordIRC http://fallenswordirc.com Chat for FallenSword. Wed, 28 Mar 2012 05:27:03 +0000 en hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 Dev Chat Log from 3/27/12 http://fallenswordirc.com/2012/03/dev-chat-log-from-32712/ http://fallenswordirc.com/2012/03/dev-chat-log-from-32712/#comments Wed, 28 Mar 2012 05:27:03 +0000 Zukira Phaera http://fallenswordirc.com/?p=476 We had a visit from Hoof, Radneto disguised as Mojawk, Zorg and the new kid in town, Lamium today. The discussion revolved around buffs. Below you’ll find the full contents of the chat.
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Session Start: Tue Mar 27 00:00:01 2012
Session Ident: #fallensword

-16:49:58- ¹ººº Join» (Hoofmaster)
-16:49:59- (Maehdros) agreed boeffie
-16:50:00- (Maehdros) ooh
-16:50:03- (Hoofmaster) HI
-16:50:05- (@Zorg) Zukira
-16:50:05- • Maehdros 100000 stams hoof
-16:50:08- (Maehdros) hiiii
-16:50:08- (Hoofmaster) I AM HOOFMASTER
-16:50:09- (Spaz2) Bonjour, Hoof.
-16:50:10- (ilau) Confused trying to figure out why this works, but it doesn’t matter because it DOES work. Happy to be here.
-16:50:10- (@Zorg) Make a new thread titled IRC Help
-16:50:13- (@Zorg) and I’ll switch them around
-16:50:17- (x3j46) u mean then democracy is useless too xD
-16:50:25- (@Guest7698) HONEST
-16:50:27- (+Chazz) Hello Hoof and welcome
-16:50:27- (&Zukira) Ok Zorg :)
-16:50:30- (@Zorg) Call it Fallen Sword IRC help or something
-16:50:36- (boeffie) informed democracy can be good
-16:50:55- (@Hoof) Chazz: I’m not late btw :P
-16:50:57- (Mr_Doom) Hoofmonster!
-16:50:57- (Spaz2) I was just getting used to caling you Guest too.
-16:50:58- (x3j46) lol u are pvp attackers are the informers right :P
-16:51:15- (+Chazz) LOL Hoof
-16:51:43- (boeffie) getting personal already? it is just an overall result of any polls that have been done?
-16:52:12- (boeffie) there are a lot of posts of people wanting to change votes once they have thought about the issues
-16:52:20- (+Chazz) Hoof, is it possible to like one day create a massive skype room lol
-16:52:20- (x3j46) im not the one getting subjective either, dont call it personal
-16:52:27- (boeffie) regardless what polls they were
-16:52:30- (+Chazz) reading and expressions are so much easier there lol
-16:52:44- (Maehdros) it often takes alot of debating to work out possible issues with ideas, tweaks and loppholes
-16:52:45- (Spaz2) And its blue!
-16:52:48- (+Chazz) Hey lets play nice everyone
-16:52:48- (Maehdros) loop*
-16:53:01- (Maehdros) spaz… i haz kfc
-16:53:06- • Maehdros mmmm
-16:53:07- (+Chazz) this already stands a high chance of being ugly today lol with the bounty board update
-16:53:09- (boeffie) we are all here as players, not for or against others
-16:53:13- (Spaz2) I have.. Nothing :(
-16:53:27- (Maehdros) agreed
-16:53:39- (&Zukira) ok Zorg, I put it up, Fallensword IRC Help and How-to. It is in the newbie section.
-16:53:49- (+Chazz) Yes, we are here as players to help make smart suggestions for the game as a whole not for our own personal preference
-16:54:05- • Mr_Doom farts
-16:54:09- (Maehdros) ewww
-16:54:18- (Spider0007) gross
-16:54:19- • boeffie opens the windows
-16:54:22- (mormon8r02) that blue font kills my eyes
-16:54:24- (Maehdros) best egt rid of the gas now, before the chat starts huh
-16:54:26- (Spaz2) Copy that, Chazz. It will need to be said several times throughout tonight.
-16:54:26- (+Chazz) Lets not derail this ok… doom =)
-16:54:29- (Spider0007) Hoof, we know you’re not late, in fact aren’t you an hour early???
-16:54:42- (+Chazz) oh yes sadly yes I am aware lol
-16:54:45- (mormon8r02) and how do I take the 02 off my name..? it added it when i joined
-16:54:46- (boeffie) yes he is, seems GMT has moved in fallensword world
-16:54:54- (+Chazz) yes he is Spider and hello =)
-16:54:57- (&Zukira) mormon you might want to consider a client program if you would like
-16:55:03- (Maehdros) chazz, ring rye
-16:55:05- (&Zukira) you can change name yes.
-16:55:20- (+Chazz) I did already
-16:55:23- (&Zukira) type /nick mormon8r on a line by itself and it will fix it
-16:55:25- (Maehdros) cool beans
-16:55:25- (+Chazz) he is gonna work on it
-16:55:35- ºº¹º Nick» (mormon8r02) is now known as (mormon8r)
-16:55:38- (Mr_Doom) lol @ derail..
-16:55:39- (mormon8r) cool thanks :)
-16:55:40- (+Chazz) he had some issues with the sercurity earlier
-16:56:02- (@Mojawk) good evening all, we’ll be getting underway shortly
-16:56:03- (@Zorg) threads switched
-16:56:06- (boeffie) there’s going to be a lot of that tonight too, think will give this a miss, tonight, lol
-16:56:07- (+Chazz) so did I … I sent in a ticket about it about 3 or 4 hrs ago no response yet lol
-16:56:32- (+Chazz) oh you are an optimist Boeffie lol
-16:56:35- (@Hoof) Chazz: we just ignore all your tickets
-16:56:43- (Maehdros) LOL
-16:56:47- (+Chazz) Oh… is that what it is ? Now I know
-16:56:48- (@Hoof) Chazz: I added a special filter for them
-16:56:53- (Ryebred) way tyo
-16:56:55- (+Chazz) LOL
-16:56:56- (@Hoof) :D
-16:56:58- (+Chazz) good going Rye
-16:57:01- (Mr_Doom) lmao
-16:57:02- (Ryebred) *to stay on schedule :P
-16:57:08- (Maehdros) zorg put a negative modifier on my stam gain
-16:57:09- (Maehdros) >.< -16:57:13- (&Zukira) opers, have your rifles ready
-16:57:15- (@Zorg) :D
-16:57:16- (boeffie) chazz, one good chat was already a lot, so i prefer to stay with a good feeling
-16:57:36- (+Chazz) +1Boeffie
-16:57:36- (+Wolf) I am born ready Zukira;)
-16:57:44- (Ryebred) hi all
-16:57:48- (Maehdros) hello
-16:57:49- (+Chazz) yes I'm ready and waiting as well
-16:57:57- • @Karznah loads his rifle "Just hope I don't have to use this"
-16:58:02- (Maehdros) i haz a notepad full of goodies ready!
-16:58:04- (boeffie) there will be enough people to defend their cause, bound to be one who i would agree with, or a few even
-16:58:19- (+Chazz) I think the first and biggest issue is the bounty board update? Is this a good place to start?
-16:58:37- (Spaz2) There isnt a good place to start...
-16:58:42- (Maehdros) HA!
-16:58:44- (Maehdros) +1
-16:58:45- (Ryebred) I think start
-16:58:49- (+Chazz) HA
-16:59:04- (+Chazz) well we have to start some where and this is a serious issue
-16:59:11- (Ryebred) with buffs..as it's itended..get them out of the way quick..and move to old proposal
-16:59:15- (@Hoof) ok
-16:59:15- (+Chazz) Buffs shouldn't be such a huge issue to discuss
-16:59:15- (@Hoof) so
-16:59:19- (@Hoof) just posted on the news
-16:59:20- (&Zukira) If one of the Cows will poke me when you are ready to offically start. I'll set the room to moderated so you can set the pace
-16:59:28- (@Hoof) that we're starting
-16:59:33- (+Chazz) good =)
-16:59:41- (UrcK) Salutations all
-16:59:41- (+Chazz) not mine =P
-16:59:52- (Davros81) evening all
-16:59:54- (+Chazz) ok so being buffs are easy lets do them first than
-16:59:59- (Maehdros) chazz
-17:00:05- (+Chazz) Gloat, Honor and Spell Leach?
-17:00:05- (Maehdros) let hoof decide eh?
-17:00:09- (+Chazz) ok
-17:00:11- (Maehdros) ;)
-17:00:12- (+Chazz) sorry... lol
-17:00:13- ¹ººº Mode» (Zukira) sets (+m)
-17:00:24- (&Zukira) Room Moderated for HCS to start things off
-17:00:25- (@Hoof) Ok....
-17:00:38- (@Hoof) Lets start with Gloat and Honor
-17:00:44- (+Chazz) lol ok
-17:00:48- (@Hoof) as they are obviously going to need changes
-17:00:53- (@Hoof) with the PvP Ladder changes
-17:01:00- (@Hoof) We're open to suggestions :)
-17:01:01- ºº¹¹ Topic» (Zukira) changes topic to (Welcome to FSIRC. Dev chat: Current Topic: Gloat & Honor - during dev chat the room may be moderated. If you aren't able to post at some time just wait a bit for the floor to be 'open' again.)
-17:01:09- ¹¹º¹ Mode» (Zukira) sets (-v Chazz)
-17:01:26- ¹º¹º Mode» (Zukira) sets (-m)
-17:01:27- (Davros81) as anyone on the ladder uses both
-17:01:28- (Chazz) if we are gonna discuss buffs .. shouldn't we start with them?
-17:01:32- (@Mojawk) we'd like to hear peoples thoughts and ideas
-17:01:34- (Spaz2) Addition Gold/Gloat stolen protected/Honor?
-17:01:36- (x3j46) can someone log this conversation to let others learn it?
-17:01:43- (&Zukira) I'm logging
-17:01:46- (MauryBund) have it increase gold thefts or lessen them instead of affecting PvP points
-17:01:47- (@Karznah) Already logging x3
-17:01:54- (Mr_Doom) I had a good idea for gloat and honor :)
-17:01:55- (x3j46) thanks
-17:01:56- (&Zukira) One of us will clean it up and post it after chat
-17:01:59- (Davros81) nice idea Maury
-17:02:13- (Maehdros) .2% extra gold stolen during pvp combat/ .2% less xp lost ( for gloat)
-17:02:16- (Maehdros) per point
-17:02:33- (Maehdros) .2% less gold stolen/ .2% more xp loss ( per point) for honor
-17:02:36- (Mr_Doom) hmm..
-17:02:38- (Maehdros) 35%
-17:02:43- (Spaz2) ^Thats good +!
-17:02:44- (Maehdros) dooms idea mixed with mine :P
-17:02:45- (Spaz2) +1
-17:02:46- (Chazz) sounds agreeable
-17:02:50- (Ryebred) +1
-17:02:55- (Spider0007) +1
-17:02:57- (Chazz) +1
-17:02:58- (MauryBund) think you got that backwards mae
-17:03:02- (stimpysam) +1
-17:03:07- (UrcK) how would that work against bodyguard .. in theory i could protect all my xp with gold and honor?
-17:03:08- (iut044) will it work on thw bb ?
-17:03:08- (Mr_Doom) Maeh, that's my idea with adjusted levels, idea stealer! :P
-17:03:09- (Maehdros) well mixture of ideas lol
-17:03:10- (@Hoof) Great, can we go home now? :D
-17:03:15- (@Hoof) j/k
-17:03:16- (Maehdros) um
-17:03:19- (Maehdros) heh :P
-17:03:26- (@Hoof) ok
-17:03:35- (@Hoof) would anyone be against it changing to increase/decrease of gold?
-17:03:35- (Maehdros) imo bodyguard gold stolen should go to the attacker lol
-17:03:36- (Chazz) LOL Hoof
-17:03:47- (Maehdros) That was my original thoughts hoof
-17:03:48- (@Hoof) and what values do you think?
-17:03:52- (Spaz2) As Urck pointed out, what will happen to the Bodyguard buff?
-17:03:52- (Maehdros) one gives gold, one saves it
-17:03:53- (@Hoof) .2% per point?
-17:03:55- (Chazz) I agree Mae with body guard buff
-17:03:56- (Davros81) it is pretty pointless as a rating changing buff(s)
-17:03:59- (Davros81) *they
-17:04:00- (Maehdros) sure
-17:04:02- (pandoi) gloat and honor in the ladder just makes me 100 stam the user..
-17:04:09- (UrcK) gold thieves are gonna say raise it and non pvprs will say lower it ..
-17:04:13- (Mr_Doom) Does anyone even use bodyguard?
-17:04:13- (MauryBund) .1, even though theft rates currently suck
-17:04:16- (Davros81) you don't even need 100 stam though
-17:04:17- (nyklos) Gold/Xp lose ... Are players in band care about both ??
-17:04:25- (Ryebred) 100 stams...isn't that all there is?
-17:04:42- (Mr_Doom) I mena, I sell a lot of buffs, never had anyone request I add it to my buffs...
-17:04:45- (Davros81) its ineffecient for rating purposes
-17:04:50- (Ryebred) I wasn't aware onme could use less
-17:04:51- (Maehdros) so your idea is gold only hoof?
-17:05:02- (Spaz2) When Cows do somthing wrong an bug to allow 1000Stam, i'll disagree withyou, Rye.
-17:05:11- (pandoi) Yeah, not everyone appreciate it Rye :)
-17:05:12- (Davros81) Rye i often slip on the slider bar *blushes*
-17:05:15- (UrcK) no.. gold from attacker should not goto attacker .. thats like handing out master thief everytime
-17:05:24- (@Mojawk) surely it would apply after bodyguard, but personally i'd am wondering if there is something better those skills could do
-17:05:32- (Ryebred) good reason to level from range then
-17:05:38- (@Hoof) Gloat: +0.2% per point gold stolen
-17:05:38- (@Hoof) Honor: -0.2% gold stolen if defeated
-17:05:45- (UrcK) gold from bodyguard should remain a goldsink
-17:05:58- (Maehdros) nice
-17:06:07- (Spider0007) I like it Hoof!
-17:06:11- (Maehdros) thats what i suggested a long time ago
-17:06:15- (Maehdros) so +1000
-17:06:15- (zizzwyly) sounds fair
-17:06:24- (pandoi) Yeap, 0,2 sounds fai Hoof.
-17:06:26- (Davros81) I agree Urck, we have master thief for theiving
-17:06:36- (Chazz) Bodyguard conflicts
-17:06:38- (Chazz) no good
-17:06:38- (@Hoof) yeah sec
-17:06:40- (MauryBund) will that be BEFORE the amount that goes to winner with some going to void or afterwards?
-17:06:41- (pandoi) *fair
-17:06:54- (@Hoof) the gold woudl be stolen firsty
-17:06:57- (atusH) hoof are u going to make new gloat and honor buff like previous one?
-17:07:02- (@Hoof) then bodyguard would take effect
-17:07:04- (Spaz2) Master Thief works very rarely and never on the right attack, and Thievery rates are rather poor even at 100%
-17:07:06- (Maehdros) oki
-17:07:08- (Davros81) it should go to a needy charity :D
-17:07:13- (atusH) i mean does anyone lose more if they have gloat and honor at the same time?
-17:07:22- (sarbara) needy charity = me ;-)
-17:07:25- (Maehdros) they cancel each other out with hoofs idea
-17:07:30- (UrcK) honor should protect xp not gold .. what honor is there in hiding your wallet .. vs saving your history
-17:07:44- (@Hoof) atu: they counter each other yeah
-17:07:47- (Ryebred) you'll find you get more of a % take with a lower then 100 Thievery score
-17:07:49- (Davros81) so it owuld be a pointless exercise as why would a person have one not the other..?
-17:07:55- (atusH) nice then :)
-17:07:57- (Eruantion) Agrees with UrcK
-17:08:17- (sarbara) agreed with UrcK
-17:08:23- (Ryebred) then should gloat take more exp?
-17:08:27- (@Hoof) nah
-17:08:30- (ilau) +1 @Urck
-17:08:33- (Chazz) ok, so body guard and gloat would conflict meaning that in the end you roll the dice and what you get is what you get?
-17:08:36- (@Hoof) i don't want it to increase xp loss
-17:08:45- (@Hoof) Chazz: huh?
-17:08:49- (@Hoof) It won't conflict
-17:08:50- (Davros81) rhanks Hoof
-17:08:53- (Maehdros) chazz..hoof said body guard would kick after gloat
-17:08:53- (iut044) then I should not work on the bb
-17:08:54- (@Hoof) it will just be the gold is stolen first
-17:08:56- (Ryebred) then it makes no sense to create something that reduces it
-17:08:58- (Maehdros) not before
-17:09:02- (@Hoof) then body guard will take effect if they have enough gold left
-17:09:05- (Chazz) ok ... I wasn't sure which is why I made sure?
-17:09:06- (UrcK) gloat takes gold and honor protects xp at .2 each
-17:09:07- (Chazz) thank you
-17:09:16- (Mr_Doom) +gold/-exp vs -gold/+exp would allow you to customise what the purpose of your hit is Hoof.. the protection to gold is kinda moot tbh as the people holding it would be potion sellers, arena players and levellers.. ie, they aren't often going to win against someone targetting them for their gold..
-17:09:18- (nyklos) Gloat - if you win - stay same .... if you defeat +0.2 per point increase XP lose .... similar with honor
-17:09:39- (@Hoof) so you think
-17:09:44- (@Hoof) Honor protects xp
-17:09:45- (@Hoof) ie.
-17:09:48- (@Hoof) -0.2% xp loss
-17:09:53- (Davros81) yes
-17:09:54- (@Hoof) and Gloat steals more gold?
-17:09:57- (@Hoof) ie.
-17:09:58- (Davros81) yes
-17:10:00- (Spaz2) I could work with that.
-17:10:00- (Maehdros) that works as well
-17:10:00- (MauryBund) that works
-17:10:01- (@Hoof) +0.2% gold stolen?
-17:10:05- (@Mojawk) i like that more
-17:10:06- (Maehdros) yip
-17:10:11- (Spider0007) sure
-17:10:16- (&Zukira) that sounds good
-17:10:17- (Davros81) we all agree
-17:10:20- (Born2Rule) yeah thats great..
-17:10:21- (ilau) so if I am a leveler worried about getting hit, I should use Honor to protect my xp?
-17:10:27- (majar) :-|
-17:10:35- (@Hoof) Gloat: +0.2% per point gold stolen in PvP
-17:10:35- (@Hoof) Honor: -0.2% xp loss in PvP
-17:10:36- (atusH) and master thief doesnt work all the time right? so it is good to have buff to increase gold stolen per hit
-17:10:41- (sarbara) yes, honor protects XP sounds a lot better.
-17:10:52- (CSBestGuildinFS) yea
-17:10:59- (UrcK) ilau .. if you feel you would be hit yes
-17:11:05- (Spider0007) yes atusH!
-17:11:10- (Mr_Doom) Personally I think they should both be 'attacker' buffs, so if someone wants to hit for gold they take less exp, hit for exp and take less gold..
-17:11:12- (Chazz) Master theif and theievery enchancements need fixing ... they suck lol
-17:11:13- (Ryebred) is honor to work on bounty hits too?
-17:11:18- (Ryebred) or just direct PvP
-17:11:22- (x3j46) so i want honor 500 potion
-17:11:32- (UrcK) lol
-17:11:34- (Maehdros) Ive always seen gloat and honor as one attacking one defending, hoofs idea does this
-17:11:36- (Chazz) good question Rye
-17:11:37- (pandoi) Yes, better with gloat taking +0,2 more gold..
-17:11:37- (CSBestGuildinFS) We'll hit ffs everyday
-17:11:38- (UrcK) no honor 500 ..
-17:11:40- (Maehdros) ones agressive, ones defensive
-17:11:40- (MauryBund) should stay as either
-17:11:41- (Chazz) should only be off the board
-17:11:59- (Maehdros) honor shouldnt effect bounties imo
-17:12:03- (@Hoof) honor only works off the bounty board?
-17:12:04- (Maehdros) just like shame doesnt
-17:12:05- (@Hoof) yeah
-17:12:07- (Ryebred) agree with ladder or off board hits...on board exp loss shoulld stay same
-17:12:10- (@Hoof) that makes sense i think
-17:12:19- (UrcK) ofc
-17:12:29- (Chazz) I agree with that +14
-17:12:34- (@Hoof) Honor: -0.2% xp loss in PvP (Does not work during bounties)
-17:12:42- (Ryebred) +1
-17:12:42- (Maehdros) (nods)
-17:12:42- (Chazz) cool
-17:12:43- (majar) 3:-0
-17:12:50- (Chazz) Nods as well sounds good
-17:12:51- (Spider0007) yes
-17:12:51- (zizzwyly) yup
-17:13:02- (Mr_Doom) 0.2% per point, right?
-17:13:09- (Chazz) yes
-17:13:17- (Spaz2) so 35% more and less?
-17:13:20- (Chazz) 0.2% per point
-17:13:21- (sarbara) so if you are protecting yourself from a legitimate 100 stam return hit to someone -- the guy bounties you -- you can't use honor?
-17:13:23- (Chazz) yes
-17:13:33- (Maehdros) nope
-17:13:35- (Chazz) no you can't
-17:13:37- (Maehdros) you can post him
-17:13:38- (Maehdros) :P
-17:13:43- (sarbara) some people like to return hit instead of bountying.
-17:13:45- (x3j46) make it 0.6
-17:13:50- (Maehdros) Oo
-17:13:51- (sarbara) it's the "honorable" thing to do ;-)
-17:13:51- (majar) :-B
-17:13:52- (Spaz2) lol
-17:13:55- (Ryebred) so return hit
-17:14:04- (@Hoof) sarbara: how do you mean?
-17:14:15- (@Hoof) sarbara: if you are protecting yourself how would you be bountied?
-17:14:21- (Ryebred) if they bounty - player would still have bounty to post as well..and mates should stomp
-17:14:24- (MauryBund) isn't 35% reduction in xp a little high? Maybe Honor should be at .1%
-17:14:37- (UrcK) these are great but my only concern is which takes affect first .. Bodyguard or glaot/honor
-17:14:38- (ilau) exactly! Take your chance on a return hit. Let the bounty board have some BITE for the rest of us.
-17:14:44- (Spaz2) Then everyone would want Gloat to be 0.1 also.
-17:14:48- (Mr_Doom) I see people abusing it though, you can cause damage by hitting someone, and then even if they try to do the 'honourable' thing and hit back, they affect less xp because the original attacker can just wear honor?
-17:14:48- (@Hoof) Gloat/Honor would take effect first
-17:14:53- (Spaz2) Which wouldmake no noticable differance IMO
-17:14:54- (sarbara) you get hit, you return hit, the original person bounties you - while you were simply returning his hit - they bounty you so they can delevel you (cuz there are some smart ppl like that in the game) and you can't even protect yourself with honor
-17:14:56- (Chazz) gloat would take affect first Urk
-17:15:14- (UrcK) i see now issue then
-17:15:18- (UrcK) no
-17:15:19- (Maehdros) then they hit back a few times doom
-17:15:22- (Maehdros) ;)
-17:15:27- (@Hoof) If would only not take effect on bounty hits
-17:15:37- (Ryebred) don't return hits if you are worried about potenial consequences..just post them
-17:15:46- (nyklos) Its a bit Pyrrhic victory ... becouse all pvpers (in band) still use both that buffs all posibble times ... Maybe that could make better sense with pvp changes ...
-17:15:46- (Chazz) +1
-17:16:00- (Ryebred) they lose 20% opposed to 10% that way anyhow (minimal)
-17:16:10- (@Hoof) ok
-17:16:11- (Maehdros) if someone in a band has honor and you want their xp...just hit them more..
-17:16:13- (Maehdros) simple
-17:16:14- (Spaz2) not as satisfying :)
-17:16:15- (UrcK) just calculating how much gold i would have to hold to get the maximum protection from bodyguard vs new buffs..
-17:16:15- (Spider0007) Don't forget about Shame buff either.
-17:16:19- (@Hoof) so are we all quite happy with ->
-17:16:22- (@Hoof) Gloat: +0.2% per point gold stolen in PvP
-17:16:22- (@Hoof) Honor: -0.2% xp loss in PvP (Does not work during bounties)
-17:16:27- (Maehdros) (nods)
-17:16:28- (Cheezzhead) yes
-17:16:31- (Spider0007) Not exactly sure if either would effect that additional XP loss
-17:16:31- (Ryebred) yup
-17:16:33- (Mr_Doom) I generally just ignore hits altogether rye, just always thought that was was pvp’ers thought was best to do?
-17:16:33- • Spaz2 nods
-17:16:40- (Chazz) yes off
-17:16:44- (@Hoof) Don’t go posting you hate it on the forum :P
-17:16:45- (Chazz) hoof*
-17:16:53- (Chazz) I won’t I promise LOL
-17:16:55- (Davros81) best to do is ignore them, it is the attention they want Doom
-17:16:58- (Spaz2) You know we will though. ^_^
-17:17:00- • @Hoof kicks Chazz
-17:17:00- (Spider0007) lmao hoof
-17:17:03- (Maehdros) everyone reacts differently doom, and not everyone hit is a pvpr
-17:17:09- • sarbara makes a face
-17:17:10- (Chazz) LMAO
-17:17:12- (Chazz) owwww
-17:17:14- (Mr_Doom) I know Dav, that’s why I don’t give it :P
-17:17:20- (UrcK) looks like (without master thief) i would have to hold 30% more gold to protect the same xp …
-17:17:21- (Davros81) good man
-17:17:24- (Ryebred) it is the worst case scenario for me…shows I never touched you…no paying for good time..no hit backs = hurts
-17:17:49- (@Hoof) ok next up….
-17:17:51- (sarbara) so what’s going to help PvP camping?
-17:17:53- (@Hoof) the almighty…….
-17:17:55- (@Hoof) SEALED
-17:17:56- (@Hoof) :D
-17:18:00- (Maehdros) ah
-17:18:01- (Davros81) KEEP IT
-17:18:02- (MauryBund) ack. kill it
-17:18:03- (Spider0007) oh geez
-17:18:06- (UrcK) the whole purpose of bodyguard id to protect xp while not giving the hitter your gold .. .. ‘thinking’
-17:18:06- (Davros81) goes to hide
-17:18:06- (Maehdros) make it 2 buffs instead of 3?
-17:18:07- (Maehdros) or
-17:18:13- (Maehdros) anti spellbreaker/spell leech
-17:18:16- (Spaz2) Bury it alive but don’t give it a proper burial.
-17:18:18- (Maehdros) ( hides from flames)
-17:18:19- (@Hoof) Mae: the numbers don’t work for that
-17:18:19- (zizzwyly) does not velong in game
-17:18:24- (@Hoof) yeah we’re def. changing i
-17:18:35- (@Hoof) apart from Mae, is anyone against our suggestion?
-17:18:36- (Ryebred) change it to deactivating a couple random buffs per combat…or a random buff per round of combat ..for that round
-17:18:37- (@Hoof) ie.
-17:18:39- (Vastilos) what skills are we talking about here?
-17:18:48- (Chazz) 3 random buffs from falling off?
-17:18:49- (Ryebred) sealed now I believe
-17:18:53- (@Hoof) per 50 pts it randomly disables 1 buff?
-17:18:55- (zizzwyly) yes
-17:19:02- (Davros81) the 1 buff per 50 points works for me as originally suggested Hoof
-17:19:04- (Denyza) 1 buff means nothing, me think
-17:19:04- (Ryebred) I can live with that
-17:19:06- (Spider0007) The best idea I saw was that it only negates 1 random buff for that round of combat if it activates, not ALL of them!
-17:19:07- (Mr_Doom) I think changing it from all buffs to a random selection of 3 is cool.
-17:19:08- (Maehdros) If it activates will it show which buffs were *sealed* ?
-17:19:12- (zizzwyly) it needs to be totally removed
-17:19:13- (UrcK) i think its a great solution to the sealed buff
-17:19:17- (Spaz2) Think it should be every 75 points. so it does only 2 max.
-17:19:17- (Chazz) what buffs will it remove? any ? or just target buffs that kick in combat?
-17:19:22- (MauryBund) I think you should look at it nullifying ANY 3 buffs for that combat only, as opposed to “activation” buffs
-17:19:22- (@Hoof) Maw: yes
-17:19:25- (Maehdros) oki
-17:19:26- (@Hoof) Mae even
-17:19:26- (Vastilos) logically, sealed as a defensive buff should protect you from loosing buffs to spell breaker and spell leetch
-17:19:29- (Spider0007) I don’t like that it can take 3 still with lvl 150 buff!
-17:19:39- (Cheezzhead) it means that having more buffs is beneficial because there’s a lower chance the important buffs will be affected
-17:19:44- (Spider0007) Even dispel curse only takes 1 buff away and its level 1400 buff.
-17:19:52- (Maehdros) then make it 1 skill per 75 points. so 125 ( + fury) = 2 skills
-17:20:01- (UrcK) so mae can smash if someone seals his most precious boofs..hehe
-17:20:04- (Mr_Doom) It doesn’t *take* buffs like SL/SB is just negates them for one battle..
-17:20:06- (zizzwyly) you want to turn the game into a coin toos that is what sealed does
-17:20:10- (nubcake) let’s have it work on BM, LF and extend!
-17:20:32- (@Hoof) well
-17:20:35- (@Hoof) we could reduce it
-17:20:37- (Hallowed1) Coin Toss (Agrees)
-17:20:38- (@Mojawk) w
-17:20:39- (Ryebred) it’s just way overpowered as is…nothing like trying to hit into a entire guild of sealed players in GvG.
-17:20:39- (UrcK) lets not make a mockery of this chat nub
-17:20:40- (Maehdros) if it can seal any buff, activation or stat buff, then its less powerfull which is better
-17:20:40- (@Hoof) ior make it take UP TO 3 buffs
-17:20:44- (Spider0007) yes, I would rather have it coin toss a random buff than negate all of my buffs.
-17:20:45- (nyklos) 1 random buff doesnt working 0.3% pp
-17:21:09- (Spaz2) Make it work similar to stun
-17:21:13- (MauryBund) not take, just nullify for battle
-17:21:19- (@Hoof) it would always work
-17:21:22- (Spaz2) If activated then has the chance of atchualy working
-17:21:23- (Chazz) why wouldn’t a random buff work?
-17:21:23- (@Hoof) no %age chance
-17:21:27- (Maehdros) oO
-17:21:27- (UrcK) random 3 buffs over random number of random buffsplease
-17:21:31- (Maehdros) for sealed?
-17:21:31- (Ryebred) or perhaps make it wipe out all enchantments for combat
-17:21:34- (Chazz) it could remove fourl leaf what ever … that works
-17:21:37- (@Hoof) it would always disable ‘x’ buffs
-17:21:40- (Hallowed1) Alway’s ! ? Ehh for sealed?
-17:21:41- (Maehdros) woooah
-17:21:46- (Maehdros) no
-17:21:48- (Chazz) nobody wants the I win buff come on … that’s not fair
-17:21:49- (@Hoof) Hallowed: yes
-17:21:55- (@Hoof) its not all buffs tho
-17:21:57- (Vastilos) you should make a skill to counter sealed
-17:22:02- (Denyza) Just negate the buff on that fight, not completely remove it. So ,at Lv.175, negate 3-5 buffs seems fair.
-17:22:06- (@Hoof) it won’t remove it
-17:22:11- (@Hoof) only disable it for the fight
-17:22:12- (Ryebred) it’s all that activate at start of combat
-17:22:13- (Maehdros) still, every combat 3 buffs of mine arent going to work, thats hella powerful
-17:22:14- (Mr_Doom) Ooh that’s interesting, would make every battle different.
-17:22:14- (Hallowed1) ok
-17:22:19- (Chazz) we can expand sealed to include all buffs though yes?
-17:22:34- (UrcK) countersealed would be like anti deflect .. not near enuf of a balancing agent
-17:22:39- (MauryBund) yes, ALL buffs
-17:22:43- (Vastilos) lol, sealed should not remove buffs, sealed as it sounds should ‘seal’ your buffs from getting SB/SL
-17:22:44- (Spaz2) Agreed
-17:22:52- (@Hoof) Well
-17:22:55- (@Hoof) we could make it
-17:23:00- (@Hoof) 1 buff at 75
-17:23:03- (@Hoof) 2 buffs at 150
-17:23:04- (Spaz2) Yes!
-17:23:07- (Chazz) yes
-17:23:09- (@Hoof) and make it 150 is the max you can put into it
-17:23:13- (zizzwyly) n90e
-17:23:13- (Maehdros) yip
-17:23:14- (@Hoof) (apart from potions
-17:23:18- (Maehdros) like imp ;)
-17:23:20- (Ryebred) in a perfect world Vastillos
-17:23:21- (Spaz2) 2 buffs then.. Per battle/Round?
-17:23:21- (Chazz) that is good but will that include all buffs? or just ones that kick in combat?
-17:23:22- (Maehdros) well kinda lol
-17:23:26- (Vastilos) no, make it 150 (skills) max
-17:23:28- (UrcK) then you should fix SSI like that too hoof
-17:23:30- (Spaz2) Which buffs, all or ones that activate in batle?
-17:23:34- (Maehdros) per combat…not round…round would be crazy
-17:23:34- (Vastilos) 2 skills*
-17:23:37- (@Hoof) that would always activate
-17:23:41- (@Hoof) or Radneto has an idea….
-17:23:48- (zizzwyly) nope
-17:23:48- (@Mojawk) what about 0.5% per point to ignore 1 buff in the combat so (0.5 x 175) = 87.5%
-17:23:58- (Maehdros) thats strong
-17:24:00- (MauryBund) be sure that you leave a % per point for chance to activate
-17:24:01- (majar) ;-)
-17:24:02- (Maehdros) .25%?
-17:24:06- (Spider0007) I’d rather it be an activation buff
-17:24:09- (Ryebred) all would mean it could take non PvP buffs from equation too..keep it combat specific or the buff beomes too underpowered
-17:24:24- (UrcK) i random from 3 mae .. sounds like a compromise
-17:24:25- (@Hoof) you would prefer a chance?
-17:24:40- (Maehdros) yep
-17:24:41- (Denyza) …
-17:24:42- (sercra) hello, sounds like 3 are too much
-17:24:43- (@Hoof) disables for 1 combat – doesn’t remove it
-17:24:46- (UrcK) 1 rather..
-17:24:49- (MauryBund) yes, never a certainty
-17:24:51- (@Hoof) chance to disable 1?
-17:24:55- (@Zorg) 3 would make it an essential skill everyone had to take to pvp
-17:24:56- (Maehdros) yeah
-17:24:58- (zizzwyly) no chance rewardskill
-17:24:58- (Hallowed1) yes
-17:25:01- (@Hoof) or chance to disable 50 buffs?
-17:25:03- (Chazz) yes that would work Hoof
-17:25:04- (Maehdros) even a chance of 2 is fine,
-17:25:08- (Chazz) 1 buff, at chance
-17:25:09- (@Hoof) maybe it could auto-delete your char too?
-17:25:10- (Chazz) sure
-17:25:10- (Maehdros) better then 3 always being negated
-17:25:16- (Maehdros) delete?
-17:25:16- (UrcK) the .5 for 1 random sounds fair
-17:25:18- (&Zukira) lol hoof
-17:25:18- (@Hoof) :D
-17:25:20- (Spider0007) yes, I think it should be a chance to disable 1 buff, or 2 if necessary for lvl 150
-17:25:21- (Maehdros) you dont like me huh >.< -17:25:26- (Maehdros) can i haz refund? :P
-17:25:26- (@Zorg) Just Maehdros's character :D
-17:25:27- (Vastilos) sealed should not exist in the game, so making it as underpowered as possible is best
-17:25:33- (Spaz2) lol
-17:25:34- (@Zorg) 0.5% chance when attacking to delete Maehdros
-17:25:36- ¹º¹º Quit» (Born2Rule) (fsircjava@25F59B.8A3F4C.44E3AE.1D943B) (Baibai: fallenswordirc.com rocked my world!)
-17:25:40- (Maehdros) >< -17:25:42- (Mr_Doom) lmao
-17:25:44- (Hallowed1) lol
-17:25:46- (Maehdros) i feel the love
-17:25:49- (nyklos) good one xD
-17:25:53- (sercra) :)
-17:25:54- (Spaz2) There is nonw, so how do you?
-17:25:57- (Spaz2) :P
-17:25:57- (@Hoof) so wait
-17:26:01- (Chazz) don't worry Mae ... Hoof loves me too LOL
-17:26:04- (Denyza) If seal only gives chance to negate 1 buff, it would be identical, even weaker than SB or Spell Leech.
-17:26:06- (@Hoof) YOU LIKE or DON'T LIKE the chance ?
-17:26:13- (Ryebred) I'd like SES to effect only Maehdros too..so I can clear him
-17:26:17- (~Pony) Dont
-17:26:18- (Maehdros) i like chance to remove 2 buffs if the skill is 150
-17:26:20- (@Zorg) I don't like the chance part
-17:26:25- (Chazz) LOL RYE
-17:26:26- (Davros81) spurs beat Bolton 3-1 get in!!
-17:26:28- (@Zorg) adding more dice and randomness to combat :/
-17:26:29- (Maehdros) remove/ negate..sorry
-17:26:30- (Spaz2) ^Agree with Mae.
-17:26:33- (@Hoof) negate
-17:26:34- (@Hoof) not remove
-17:26:39- (Spider0007) I like the chance part
-17:26:40- (&Zukira) 2 would be a nice compromise (non pvper point of view) with only activating on pvp specific buffs
-17:26:42- (UrcK) long as its a .5 per point chance of 2 i dont see an issue with that
-17:26:45- (Chazz) negate not remove ... Correct
-17:26:51- (Maehdros) .5?
-17:26:52- (Mr_Doom) I think if it's a chance buff 3 buffs is fair, or else it would be even weaker than SL/SB, 'always on' 1 seems fair..
-17:26:52- (Maehdros) Oo
-17:26:54- (&Zukira) and again, have it not work on bb
-17:27:00- (Maehdros) thats almost the same as always activating lolz
-17:27:05- (sarbara) it has to be more than 1, otherwise, what's the point of taking a buff at a high level that's the same as spell leach etc.
-17:27:13- (UrcK) 87.5% chance of removing 2 from the combat
-17:27:19- (Maehdros) lower then that mate
-17:27:22- (Spaz2) Question: Would you class Conserve as a PvP Buff?
-17:27:23- (zizzwyly) seriously you want to add more chance when people have been saying forever they want less
-17:27:30- (Vastilos) can't make sealed only activate on pvp buffs.
-17:27:34- (@Hoof) i don't think chance is good for it
-17:27:34- (majar) i agree with urck
-17:27:40- (sercra) 0.05% chance to negate to remove any +150 lvl buff
-17:27:42- (@Zorg) more randomness, less skill
-17:27:44- (@Hoof) I have a though....
-17:27:51- (@Hoof) ok so
-17:27:56- (Denyza) Let's listen hoofs thought
-17:27:57- (Spaz2) The Skill itself negates skill.
-17:27:58- (&Zukira) Spaz I wouldnt consider conserve a pvp specific one ;)
-17:27:58- (@Hoof) up to 50 pts
-17:28:02- (Spider0007) yes zizzwyly
-17:28:02- (@Hoof) will disable 1 buff
-17:28:07- (zizzwyly) more skill less raqndomness
-17:28:14- (@Hoof) up to 100 pts will disable 1 - 2 buffs
-17:28:15- (UrcK) it would be exept from itself i imagine
-17:28:15- (Ryebred) maybe a 85% chance to negate 1 buff, 50% chance to negate 2, 25% chance to negate 3
-17:28:24- (@Hoof) 150 will disable 2 buffs
-17:28:24- (Spaz2) Not specific, but a PvP one as it works on players AND creatures. Says in its description :P
-17:28:28- (Maehdros) niec hoof
-17:28:31- (Maehdros) nice*
-17:28:33- (Hallowed1) :)
-17:28:36- (Spider0007) Its 10 times better than what it currently does
-17:28:37- (Chazz) nice Hoof
-17:28:38- (Ryebred) I like that hoofd
-17:28:40- (Maehdros) correct
-17:28:42- (@Zorg) what's wrong with 75 negate 1, 150 negate 2?
-17:28:44- (&Zukira) yeah hoof
-17:28:47- (Maehdros) nothing
-17:28:48- (Maehdros) :P
-17:28:49- (@Zorg) is mine not simpler? :(
-17:28:53- (Tyskersejt) So at 100 pts. it's either 1 or 2? I like that :)
-17:28:57- (Spaz2) I prefer that, Zorg.
-17:28:59- (&Zukira) spaz, It isn't pvp specific. ;) so wouldn't be classed in what I suggested
-17:29:05- (Maehdros) and it will show which ones...right? :P
-17:29:16- (zizzwyly) whats wrong is the buff rewards the mediocre
-17:29:16- (nyklos) what about 0.2% pp Chance for decrease 0.1% target level buffs?
-17:29:17- (@Wolf) Want more "randomizism"
-17:29:17- (Ryebred) should display negated buffs
-17:29:19- (Chazz) Hoof said it will show what's removed
-17:29:22- (Mr_Doom) 50,100,150 allows for special section pots in the Ah though I think?
-17:29:23- (MauryBund) tie to SB and SL in the tree as well
-17:29:29- (UrcK) agreed .. it should show the buffs negated
-17:29:35- (Vastilos) 0.2% is too high
-17:29:38- (Chazz) Negated * not removed
-17:29:42- (Maehdros) .1
-17:29:46- (sarbara) or new arena win potions 50/100/150 ;-)
-17:29:47- (Spider0007) agree but since its not going anywhere this improve is good
-17:29:53- (Maehdros) correct
-17:29:58- (Maehdros) anything is a step forward
-17:30:03- (@Wolf) Example: level 150 (x3) could take a MAX of 3skills (not all combats will take all 3 and some would take none)
-17:30:04- (Vastilos) why should sealed be given a higer chance to activate than spell braeker?
-17:30:10- (Spaz2) With all the ideas, I don't even know whats currently being agreed upon.
-17:30:13- (Maehdros) as of now sealed is a basic gimpify buff ( sorry )
-17:30:22- (Ryebred) sealed negates..sb removes
-17:30:27- (Vastilos) so?
-17:30:30- (@Wolf) Spaz2 is why the convo is happening to have an "agreement"
-17:30:30- (sarbara) higher level skills should be better than lower level skills no?
-17:30:38- (Vastilos) no
-17:30:40- (Vastilos) not at all
-17:30:43- (sarbara) and why not?
-17:30:46- (Chazz) so there is a difference bettween removing and negating lol
-17:30:55- (UrcK) we all know that it is too powerful as it is .. but 2 for 150 seems fair
-17:30:56- (Cheezzhead) how about it takes two buffs at random, then for each there's a 0.67% chance that the buff will be sealed. So with lvl 75 there's a 50% chance for each buff, with lvl 150 both buffs will definitely be sealed (100%)
-17:30:57- (Vastilos) why shold they?
-17:30:58- (Chazz) that's why there is a difference
-17:30:59- (Mr_Doom) Oh boy.. I'm in need of a cuppa!!
-17:30:59- (zizzwyly) uaing sealed ia admitting you canty win without it
-17:31:00- (Ryebred) I'm not a fan of it..just trying to be fair in comprimise. I won't use it as is..if I leech it - I drop it where it belongs
-17:31:08- (sarbara) as in any mmorpgh, the higher you go in a talent tree, the better perks you get out of your leveling
-17:31:22- (Davros81) doom this is a comedy classic
-17:31:26- (Davros81) sealed is a buff
-17:31:35- (Maehdros) less bickering more ideas >.< -17:31:39- (@Mojawk) So let me get this right cause i, taking notes
-17:31:42- (zizzwyly) that losers use
-17:31:42- (sarbara) then again, they are all buffs here - but still a perk that you have it as you reached a level.
-17:31:46- (&Zukira) hang on I'l mod it
-17:31:46- (Davros81) like using deflect, is like hoping you don't get caught in a game of hide and seek
-17:32:17- (&Zukira) go ahead ;) floor is all yours Mojawk
-17:32:39- (~Pony) So. A summary?
-17:33:15- (@Mojawk) Sealed
-17:33:18- (@Mojawk) 0-49 skill points remove, 0-1 skills
-17:33:18- (@Mojawk) 50-99 skill points remove, 1 skills
-17:33:18- (@Mojawk) 100-149 skill points remove, 1-2 skills
-17:33:18- (@Mojawk) 150 skill points remove, 2 skills
-17:34:10- (@Mojawk) one sec please
-17:34:28- (@Hoof) hey
-17:34:32- (&Zukira) just let me know when you want it open again
-17:34:32- (@Hoof) need a 2 min break
-17:34:36- (~Pony) Ill give you two if you need
-17:34:37- (@Hoof) check this out while you guys wait :D
-17:34:39- (@Hoof) http://guide.fallensword.com/test/index.php
-17:35:00- (@Hoof) click to move about :D
-17:35:29- (@Zorg) we're learning to use node js for stuff lol
-17:35:37- (@Zorg) like the guild chat will be in this, if we can get it to work :D
-17:35:48- (@Hoof) makes guild chat will work realy nicely
-17:35:49- (@Hoof) 1 sec
-17:36:08- (@Mojawk) sorry I mean Negate a buff for that combat
-17:36:33- (@Zorg) yeah I think we should stick to the phrases "negate" or "remove" when referring to buffs
-17:36:50- (@Zorg) for clarity
-17:36:59- (@Mojawk) yeah long day here, my mistake hoof will know what i mean from my notes tho =)
-17:37:17- (@Mojawk) some of us were in the office on time today ZORG
-17:37:21- (@Mojawk) xD
-17:37:36- (@Hoof) http://guide.fallensword.com/test/index.php
-17:37:39- (@Hoof) ok try now :)
-17:37:42- (@Zorg) A wizard arrives precisely when he means to.
-17:37:56- (@Savanc) I think Mojawk means this:
-17:37:57- (@Savanc) Sealed:
-17:37:58- (@Savanc) 0-49 skill points: negate 0-1 skills
-17:37:58- (@Savanc) 50-99 skill points: negate 1 skills
-17:37:58- (@Savanc) 100-149 skill points: negate 1-2 skills
-17:37:58- (@Savanc) 150 skill points: negate 2 skills
-17:38:04- (~Pony) Drop the wand.
-17:38:14- (@Zorg) I think 0 should negate 0 skills lol
-17:38:19- (@Zorg) 1-49 should be 0-1
-17:38:25- (@Mojawk) *sigh*
-17:38:27- (~Pony) I agree
-17:38:30- (@Savanc) Yes
-17:38:38- (~Pony) Would be a free pseudo buff
-17:38:44- (@Mojawk) ok cool
-17:38:49- (&Zukira) opening floor again?
-17:38:54- (~Pony) Once you hit the level wouldnt you get it if that were case?
-17:39:00- (~Pony) Hoof?
-17:39:11- (@Hoof) how do you mean Pony?
-17:39:15- (Ryebred) will it be any buffs can be sealed..or combat specific?
-17:39:15- (~Pony) Well
-17:39:27- (~Pony) If 0 through 49 did 0 to 1 buff
-17:39:29- (Maehdros) you cannot cast a buff unless you have skill points in it
-17:39:35- (~Pony) Youd not need skill points to use it
-17:39:40- (Davros81) can we have a free skill reset once these changes are implemented as i will no longer want sealed
-17:39:51- (Spaz2) Everyone, if not everyone but laughable players will have 150. The idea is great :D I like it.
-17:39:55- (UrcK) thz mae .. i didnt want to have to say that outloud..lol
-17:40:12- (Maehdros) ;)
-17:40:20- (~Pony) I know that hence why im asking about the 0
-17:40:23- (Mr_Doom) Yeah, can't imagine it well sell very well either. Never did though tbh, only added it to my list as a couple of friends requested it :S
-17:40:24- (UrcK) there will be a reset Dav
-17:40:27- (Vastilos) ok, what is the activation % going to be on sealed then?
-17:40:43- (MauryBund) sounds like 100%
-17:40:47- (Mr_Doom) 100%, as in, always on...
-17:40:48- (Vastilos) really?
-17:40:52- (majar) :-|
-17:40:56- (Vastilos) thats garbage
-17:41:03- (Spider0007) It better not be :P
-17:41:04- (Chazz) 87.5% I thought?
-17:41:07- (hbklives) Like Ryebred asked, will it be any buff or combat specific?
-17:41:11- (Maehdros) .25% per point?
-17:41:13- (Vastilos) anything above 50% is a joke
-17:41:18- (Spaz2) 150 skill points: negate 2 skills
-17:41:20- (Maehdros) so 43.75% chance
-17:41:23- (Chazz) oh ok
-17:41:24- (zizzwyly) so overpowered still
-17:41:26- (Maehdros) thats imo
-17:41:28- (Maehdros) nah
-17:41:31- (Ryebred) should still remain chance activation - I'd agree on 50%
-17:41:33- (Maehdros) way better then it is now
-17:41:35- (Maehdros) waaaaay beter
-17:41:37- (@Hoof) hold
-17:41:45- (zizzwyly) cause now it takes 2 buffs every combat
-17:41:46- (@Hoof) you mean for 1 to 2 skills?
-17:41:52- (Davros81) make sealed a potion instead of a castable buff if you change it i reckon
-17:41:55- (@Hoof) are we cool with it ALWAYS activating?
-17:41:58- (Maehdros) no
-17:42:01- (Davros81) not many will want to waste skill points on it
-17:42:02- (~Pony) No
-17:42:04- (hbklives) No.
-17:42:07- (&Zukira) no
-17:42:08- (Chazz) No
-17:42:09- (Hallowed1) no
-17:42:10- (Vastilos) ok, if sealed activates 50% of the time, then make spell breaker or spell leetch activate 45% of the time to be fair
-17:42:11- (Spider0007) no
-17:42:19- (hbklives) I'd hate it if it always activated.
-17:42:20- (Denyza) Wow....
-17:42:24- (MauryBund) no, that is why I early asked for chance activation percentage to remain
-17:42:25- (Maehdros) sealed negates em
-17:42:25- (Mr_Doom) Yep, otherwise it's pointless to even get :S
-17:42:27- (Spaz2) tbh, in comparison to how it is now. I don't care
-17:42:30- (Maehdros) spellbreaker REMOVEs
-17:42:40- (@Hoof) This only disables for 1 combat
-17:42:44- (Maehdros) correct
-17:42:44- (Spider0007) Make the activation rate based on the number of skill points in buffs. That way it will still be an incentive to make it a lvl 175 buff because it will activate more.
-17:42:51- (Denyza) You guys are paranoid, negate 2 random skills means nothing. Especially if the target has like 20 buffs or something
-17:42:56- (Denyza) I'm with hoof.
-17:42:58- (Maehdros) nice 1 spider
-17:42:59- (UrcK) 1-2 random buffs always vs all buffs at 17.5% is a fair exchange
-17:43:13- (Ryebred) +1 Spider
-17:43:14- (zizzwyly) yes but it does 2 buffs every combat
-17:43:19- (Mr_Doom) It's a huuuge come down from it's current state lol
-17:43:27- (Spaz2) ^Yup
-17:43:30- (xl5box) hiii
-17:43:32- (@Hoof) if there is an activation chance...
-17:43:35- (Maehdros) personally i want it gone lol, so the more changed the better
-17:43:36- (Chazz) that's becaumse it's currently broken now Doom
-17:43:36- (Ryebred) it's current state is a complete joke
-17:43:37- (@Hoof) don't you think it will be too crap?
-17:43:38- (xl5box) im late lol
-17:43:40- (Chazz) it has to come down lol
-17:43:41- (@Hoof) ie. no-one will use it?
-17:43:43- (Maehdros) nah
-17:43:49- (Vastilos) nod mae
-17:43:50- (Mr_Doom) Pretty much Hoof..
-17:43:52- (Maehdros) if its 43.5% chance its decent
-17:43:59- (Maehdros) doom, have u ever used it?
-17:44:01- (Davros81) NO one will use it Hoof trust me
-17:44:04- (Spaz2) crap LOL
-17:44:07- (Maehdros) ( no offense intended)
-17:44:08- (Denyza) Make it always activate if you want to hoof.
-17:44:09- (Spider0007) It won't be crap if it has the activation rate of deflect
-17:44:10- (xl5box) what are we talking about?
-17:44:10- (zizzwyly) your the person who added it
-17:44:11- (Spider0007) :P
-17:44:17- (@Hoof) zizz: huh?
-17:44:24- (UrcK) noone will use it if it is random chance of 1-2 buffs
-17:44:26- (stimpysam) just have it as a buyable potion. i use it (hides)
-17:44:28- (Ryebred) I'd actually use it with proposed change..now it's so much a win button I will not
-17:44:30- (Chazz) People will still buy Sealed ... at a 50% rate that's still really good even with two buffs
-17:44:30- (Mr_Doom) I sell a lot of buffs Mae, don't have to use it to know the frequency of buffs used..
-17:44:38- (@Hoof) well
-17:44:43- (@Hoof) how about always two buffs
-17:44:47- (@Hoof) but with an activation chance?
-17:44:47- (Davros81) hoof if you make these changes you may as well remove the buff entirely
-17:44:50- (Denyza) Yes, make it so.
-17:44:56- (Maehdros) 2 random buffs correct?
-17:45:04- (Maehdros) ( not just activation
-17:45:06- (@Hoof) yes
-17:45:09- (@Hoof) two random buffs
-17:45:10- (Maehdros) oki
-17:45:13- (Spider0007) Really? Players use Dispel Curse and it only negates 1 buff
-17:45:14- (Ryebred) I agree buff level should determine the % chance activation
-17:45:20- (Vastilos) any buff that activates 50% of the time or higer is laughable
-17:45:27- (Vastilos) like deflect L.175
-17:45:39- (MauryBund) okay, you could even make it 3 at 150 if it is on ALL buffs
-17:45:42- (Ryebred) would be incentive to get 175 buff
-17:45:42- (Chazz) deflect kicks very often?
-17:45:49- (Chazz) I hate deflect lol
-17:45:57- (Maehdros) rye...level effects chances on buffs now.
-17:45:59- (Ryebred) you love deflect Chaz
-17:46:00- (@Zorg) So with 2 random buffs, you're ok with players using lots of really low level irralevent buff potions to give sealed less of a chance of working against them?
-17:46:07- (Maehdros) yup
-17:46:12- (Maehdros) people do it against sb and sl now
-17:46:14- (Davros81) deflect is way too over powered, even with anti deflect running
-17:46:14- (Maehdros) ;)
-17:46:16- (@Zorg) I know that's what I'd do if I was fighting someone with sealed
-17:46:16- (MauryBund) yep
-17:46:17- (Spaz2) I think theres a buff to decrase Deflects offs ofactivating.. Just cannot think of that name....
-17:46:20- (Spider0007) +0.25% chance per point
-17:46:26- (Denyza) Exactly Zorg. It's weak enough as it is. LoL
-17:46:34- (Maehdros) it shouldnt be strong
-17:46:39- (sarbara) anti-deflect? lol
-17:46:46- (Spaz2) No, not that one.
-17:46:52- (Maehdros) skill decides combat...not removing more and more buffs... so .25% chance of negating 2 buffs works for me
-17:46:54- (Mr_Doom) Reducing it to activation is pure overkill..
-17:46:58- (sarbara) anti-sealed can be one to add ;-)
-17:47:00- (Maehdros) .25% chance per point i mean
-17:47:01- (Hallowed1) Ok whats the verdict as of now Hoof ? Alway's or random?
-17:47:02- (UrcK) i like that zorg .. running more buffs to help possibly prevet the good ones from being affect will be a gold and stam sink
-17:47:07- (@Mojawk) Ok so
-17:47:09- (@Mojawk) what about
-17:47:16- (Vastilos) anti-deflect works about 1/10th as much as deflect does spaz lol
-17:47:17- (Maehdros) @ urck, thats always been done
-17:47:21- (Maehdros) on the bb especially
-17:47:23- (@Zorg) I was just thinking that higher level sealed should work against higher level buffs more often
-17:47:27- (@Mojawk) 0.25% chance per point to negate 2 random buffs for the current combat?
-17:47:28- (Maehdros) cannon fodder buffs :P
-17:47:28- (@Zorg) And ignore lower level buffs
-17:47:41- (UrcK) yea.. agreed .. noone 'Reck' PVPs..lol
-17:47:44- (@Hoof) we could only make it affect buffs over level 'x'?
-17:47:46- (@Mojawk) 0.25 x 175 = 43%
-17:47:46- (Hallowed1) intersting on higher vs higher
-17:47:48- (zizzwyly) then dony think
-17:47:51- (Maehdros) 43% is fine
-17:47:53- (@Hoof) mind you then people may cast at like 174
-17:47:53- (@Hoof) :D
-17:48:00- (Maehdros) lol
-17:48:02- (Spaz2) I have had good AD's and very poor ones. I have also had Lv135Deflects work better against an Anti-deflect than a lv175.
-17:48:03- (@Hoof) 43% chance of what tho ?
-17:48:06- (@Hoof) 2 buffs?
-17:48:17- (Davros81) i have had pvp drones attack me with just SB250 running knowing they will lose but just to strip buffs
-17:48:18- (nyklos) yes
-17:48:18- (Maehdros) yip
-17:48:24- (Maehdros) agreed dav
-17:48:27- (Maehdros) its annoying
-17:48:28- (Mr_Doom) O.o
-17:48:40- (Spider0007) pvp drones lol
-17:48:42- (Maehdros) another reason i will suggest another buff be fixed tonite too
-17:48:47- (Spaz2) Davros, thats why XP loss on the attacker on the BB should be there
-17:48:53- (Maehdros) nah mate..
-17:48:55- (Spaz2) However much everyone else disagrees, I don't !
-17:48:57- (Vastilos) make it affect the potions that give the higher level buffs
-17:48:58- (Maehdros) who would stomp eoc then?
-17:49:00- (Maehdros) no one
-17:49:03- (Mr_Doom) It's part of the reason I'm in a solo guild Dav, it's even worse when people run GvG's to do that, you can't even bounty them...
-17:49:06- (Davros81) yeah then the guy that hit me 33 times and lost would not do it i guess
-17:49:11- (Spaz2) I would, I wouldnt give a donkey or even 2
-17:49:16- (Spider0007) wrong again spaz
-17:49:24- (Maehdros) so we good with mow/hoofs idea?
-17:49:49- (hbklives) I like this idea, yes.
-17:49:51- (majar) ok :-)
-17:49:54- (Davros81) yes but the buff is not worthless
-17:50:03- (Maehdros) worthless is balanced buff ;)
-17:50:08- (Maehdros) sealed will have uses
-17:50:15- (Davros81) nah
-17:50:18- (Chazz) I agree it's good
-17:50:31- (nyklos) Hoof dont slep xD
-17:50:35- (Ryebred) worthless until they make more sets for same level use..balanced buff can work great for lv 200 player
-17:50:38- (zizzwyly) 2 buffs 43.75 % chance of activattion
-17:50:42- (Maehdros) yes
-17:50:44- (majar) ok :-)
-17:50:46- (Spider0007) I think its more fair. At least now its not a win button.
-17:50:48- (Vastilos) so, whats the activation % of sealed going to be then?
-17:50:58- (Davros81) it never WAS a win button
-17:50:58- (Chazz) I agree Spider +1
-17:50:59- (@Hoof) 43.75% is at 175
-17:51:00- (UrcK) if it always takes 2 random people will use it .. if it is a chance of taking 2 people will not ..
-17:51:02- (@Hoof) yea?
-17:51:11- (Maehdros) chance, people will use, trust me
-17:51:14- (Spider0007) Probably make for some interesting battles as it snags doubler and Keen edge in the same hit lol
-17:51:16- (Maehdros) gvg, ladder, so on
-17:51:17- (Ryebred) yes
-17:51:19- (Maehdros) every bit helps
-17:51:27- (GoHalos) -_-
-17:51:44- (Chazz) next buff than?
-17:51:47- (Maehdros) woot
-17:51:50- (Chazz) woot =)
-17:51:51- (Maehdros) I got a list!
-17:51:51- (Chazz) yes
-17:51:53- (Mr_Doom) 47.5% chance to negate two buffs.. I guess thats not too bad, as long as it is ALWAYS two buffs..
-17:52:01- (Maehdros) yeah doom
-17:52:02- (GoHalos) give us teleport already..
-17:52:06- (Ryebred) spell leech is broken
-17:52:14- (Chazz) yes Spell leech is busted
-17:52:15- (zizzwyly) 43.75%
-17:52:17- (UrcK) can we get confrimation on how it will work .. what was decided
-17:52:19- (Maehdros) yes ziz
-17:52:34- (Maehdros) 43.5% chance that 2 random buffs will be sealed during combat
-17:52:41- (Vastilos) why such a high activation %?
-17:52:47- (Chazz) its fine
-17:52:53- (Maehdros) its alot better then before, and it still makes it useful
-17:52:56- (Ryebred) it's a huge improvement on current
-17:52:59- (hbklives) It'll be fine, as long as its random.
-17:53:02- (Maehdros) better then 17.5% chance to be gimpified
-17:53:03- (Maehdros) ;)
-17:53:10- (Hallowed1) is that sealed, signed and delivered?
-17:53:15- (Ryebred) I hope
-17:53:18- (stimpysam) it is
-17:53:20- (UrcK) just curious how that is better than 2 everytime?
-17:53:24- (@Hoof) so always 2 buffs?
-17:53:28- (Vastilos) wow, apparently i need to go back and get another degree
-17:53:29- (~Pony) Poke air holes so it doesnt die
-17:53:30- (@Hoof) at a % chance
-17:53:35- (nyklos) yes
-17:53:36- (Vastilos) go back to school*
-17:53:39- (hbklives) Yes
-17:53:45- (@Hoof) any one disagree?
-17:53:50- (Chazz) no
-17:53:51- (zizzwyly) yes but with 43.75 %
-17:53:54- (hbklives) nope.
-17:53:55- (nyklos) amen
-17:53:56- (Vastilos) hopefully this university will have a course on logic.
-17:54:05- (GoHalos) ....
-17:54:07- (Ryebred) I agree with the 43.75%..not always
-17:54:10- (sarbara) OMG - sarcasm.
-17:54:13- (Maehdros) .25% per point
-17:54:15- (sarbara) must have come with the degree.
-17:54:16- (Maehdros) +1
-17:54:19- (GoHalos) I'm just here for the free beer and chicks. Are either of those here?
-17:54:26- (~Pony) Easy
-17:54:29- (sarbara) you got the chicks, but i ain't free.
-17:54:31- (Maehdros) i ate them already
-17:54:32- (Chazz) LOL beer and chicks
-17:54:33- (~Pony) Theres a room for that halos
-17:54:37- (Maehdros) next buff then?
-17:54:37- (Chazz) LMAO Mae
-17:54:39- (Hallowed1) lol YES Hoof agreed
-17:54:40- (UrcK) if that is the concensus .. but i think it should be 2 random buffs 100% ..
-17:54:44- (Chazz) yes please, next buff
-17:54:45- (LamiumFSDev) Let's try and focus now :P
-17:54:48- (majar) ok :-)
-17:54:49- (&Zukira) today's chat has so much qdb fodder
-17:54:50- (Spider0007) 35% would be better
-17:54:54- (majar) urck +1
-17:54:54- (~Pony) Hoof
-17:55:06- (@Mojawk) so 43% chance to NEGATE 2 random buffs versus 17% chance to negate all
-17:55:10- (UrcK) pvprs run 40+ buffs ata time
-17:55:11- (Maehdros) yip
-17:55:11- (@Mojawk) if people think this is too high
-17:55:13- (Mr_Doom) I agree Urck, that would be more of a compromise from the current situation, this feels like a compromise of a compromise..
-17:55:19- (@Mojawk) we could use 35% chance (0.2)
-17:55:20- (Spider0007) yes Mo!
-17:55:26- (Maehdros) doom, the buff is hated
-17:55:29- (Maehdros) most want it gone
-17:55:29- (Vastilos) yeah, 35% would be better
-17:55:29- (Ryebred) fine if it's any 2 buffs..can be non PvP buffs being effected as well
-17:55:32- (@Hoof) would it still be worthwhile at 35%?
-17:55:36- (@Hoof) assuming two buffs?
-17:55:37- (Maehdros) so this is alot better then people whining and freaking out
-17:55:38- (~Pony) Yes
-17:55:43- (@Mojawk) yes non pvp buffs would be effected
-17:55:57- (Spider0007) .002 instead of .0025
-17:56:01- (zizzwyly) then do it
-17:56:06- • @Billy peeks in
-17:56:08- (Ryebred) then I can live with it
-17:56:12- (@Zorg) Lamium is our new guy at the office :D
-17:56:14- (Maehdros) I haz so many buffs to mentioned >.< -17:56:16- (majar) *hello
-17:56:24- (Maehdros) lamium is the new noob?
-17:56:34- (@Mojawk) ok so anyone have a problem with 35% for 2 buffs?
-17:56:41- (@Mojawk) speak now or forever hold your peace
-17:56:41- (Mr_Doom) what? lol
-17:56:42- (Chazz) no again
-17:56:42- (@LamiumFSDev) Oh hi guys!
-17:56:47- (UrcK) I
-17:56:48- (~Pony) No
-17:56:50- (Vastilos) yeah, we should talk about fixing reflection damage
-17:56:50- (Mr_Doom) Another drop? O.o
-17:56:52- (hbklives) nope.
-17:56:55- (theotter) what buffs have you gone through so far?
-17:56:57- (&Zukira) welcome to irc Lamium
-17:57:00- (Chazz) reflection is fine
-17:57:02- (w-mitgsx1) Yes, but like what else is their
-17:57:06- (theotter) if someone doesnt mind pm a quick list
-17:57:06- (Vastilos) no it's not chazz
-17:57:11- (Chazz) ok Vast...
-17:57:12- (~Pony) Ok then
-17:57:17- (w-mitgsx1) besides the pvp'ers getting what they want?
-17:57:19- (jonahtebaa) make NMV activate before fortitude
-17:57:21- (Chazz) Shame, Spell Leech
-17:57:23- (Vastilos) maeh, does reflection work fine?
-17:57:30- (Chazz) Wither, Foritude
-17:57:33- (Maehdros) chazz, we discussed reflection between me and you mate
-17:57:37- (zizzwyly) yep sounds good 35% 2 buufs
-17:57:38- (Maehdros) ;)
-17:57:38- (@Hoof) Sealed: 0.2% per point chance to negate 2 buffs.
-17:57:39- (Spaz2) It works fine- but it could work better!
-17:57:40- (Chazz) Yes, we did
-17:57:48- (Ryebred) that's crazy Jona
-17:57:59- (Ryebred) mega hp
-17:58:01- (Spider0007) yeah hoof!
-17:58:04- (~Pony) Ready for next one hoof?
-17:58:08- (Ryebred) yesd hoof
-17:58:11- (UrcK) i wont be getting sealed ..
-17:58:13- (Spider0007) what's next?
-17:58:18- (Maehdros) quick one
-17:58:21- (jonahtebaa) if ur using an NMV setup, ur not after HP
-17:58:24- (Maehdros) barricade, can it be adjustable please
-17:58:24- (w-mitgsx1) only buff hated by pvp'ers, now it's degraded to a chance of removing 1/40 decent buff, lol
-17:58:26- (@Mojawk) Ok, so far we've been over Gloat, Honor and Sealed
-17:58:30- (jonahtebaa) but use it to increase damage
-17:58:31- (@Mojawk) what we'd like to do now
-17:58:31- (theotter) i know im coming late on the conversation about sealed, but is it now just soly 2 buffs? or is it 2 buffs per 50 points, plus the .2% per
-17:58:33- (jonahtebaa) for overkill
-17:58:34- (@Hoof) Gloat: +0.2% per point gold stolen in PvP
-17:58:34- (@Hoof) Honor: -0.2% xp loss in PvP (Does not work during bounties)
-17:58:34- (@Hoof) Sealed: 0.2% per point chance to negate 2 buffs.
-17:58:35- (Ryebred) When I use my nightmare set up I love the hp O.~
-17:58:39- (Vastilos) chazz, a level 1 with 1 damage should not be able to beat someone with 10k armor, that is stupid.
-17:58:41- (Mr_Doom) Hoof, think about how the buff currently is compared to what you just suggested, you don't think that's a bit of a drastic drop in functionality?
-17:58:44- (@Mojawk) ok
-17:58:48- (@Mojawk) sorry needed to speak a second
-17:58:55- (@Mojawk) we've been over gloat honor and sealed
-17:59:02- (@Mojawk) what hoof just posted are the coming changes
-17:59:33- (@Mojawk) what we'd like to do next is for people to PM me any issues with current skills
-17:59:44- (@Mojawk) me hoof and zorg will have a chat about thenm
-17:59:55- (@Mojawk) and then we'll bring them to the active topic
-18:00:17- (@Mojawk) ok we'll open it until we pick a few questions, thanks for listening
-18:00:57- (Spaz2) Your in-game name isnt Mojawk.. Is it?
-18:00:58- (Yuuzhan) have you guys discussed gloat reducing XP with the increase of gold?
-18:00:59- (Chazz) so how do wo message you Mo? through IRC, through FS or through Support?
-18:01:23- (hbklives) IRC, most likely.
-18:01:27- (jonahtebaa) here probably
-18:01:30- (Chazz) ok thank you
-18:01:31- (@Zorg) No his in game name is Radneto
-18:01:51- (Chazz) Will we discuss bb update? here cause that has not been mentioned and is very important
-18:01:51- (Spaz2) So message Rad in-game regarding any issues with other buffs?
-18:02:06- (Chazz) ok ... will do
-18:02:07- (@Mojawk) no just pm me on here is fine
-18:02:08- (@Mojawk) =)
-18:02:08- (&Zukira) you message on irc.
-18:02:15- (Chazz) ok
-18:02:16- (majar) click on the name so it turns dark blue. Go to another screen, put in the text just like chat = pm to mohawk etc
-18:02:18- (needgod) Open floor? I wanted to ask for a better way to report multi accounts. Some people hunting destroyers have even boasted about running accounts that people gave them, in every destroyer level to help aquire pots. Anyway to stop all of them?
-18:02:18- (&Zukira) double click his name and you will get a private message window
-18:02:44- (Maehdros) can we discuss ladder hits being bountyable?
-18:02:50- (Maehdros) and the bounty board?
-18:02:53- (Maehdros) ( tonite i mean)
-18:03:06- (Vastilos) *yawn*
-18:03:07- (jonahtebaa) and the limit on the number of attacks on the ladder
-18:03:20- (Vastilos) and making every hit on the ladder bountyable
-18:03:33- (boeffie) ladder seems ok to me, BB and bounty hits not so much
-18:03:41- (nyklos) Hoof: Could we move ? BB and ladder ?
-18:03:45- (@Hoof) 1 sec
-18:03:48- (jonahtebaa) i agree on leaving the ladder as is
-18:03:50- (Vastilos) the ladder and bb are fine
-18:03:51- (@Hoof) Radneto is working on something :)
-18:03:57- (Ryebred) are we talking current..or proposed changes
-18:04:05- (boeffie) new ladder idea i meant, not ladder as is now
-18:04:07- (UrcK) i brought up barricade to mojawk.. we cant forget to get this buff fixed to a .2 per point adjustable buff
-18:04:12- (@Mojawk) ok so keep pming me any questions
-18:04:18- (@Mojawk) first question is
-18:04:20- (@Mojawk) Barricade Needs to be a .2 per point with adjustability
-18:04:41- (@Hoof) I think that would be fine
-18:04:44- (@Hoof) one thing however
-18:05:02- (@Hoof) is we should probably make it so all skills can be cast at any level (up to whatever points you have allocated)
-18:05:30- (@Mojawk) yeah those both sound good to me, lets see what people think
-18:05:44- (@Hoof) What are your thoughts?
-18:05:48- (Hallowed1) All of them ?
-18:05:49- (zizzwyly) and default to 175
-18:05:49- (@Hoof) (on Barricate)
-18:05:50- (jonahtebaa) I dont see why we would want to cast a lower level of KE for example. just those that transfer stats
-18:05:50- (Chazz) is good to me
-18:05:52- (@Hoof) Barricade
-18:05:53- (Mr_Doom) It's not really needed for most buffs Hoof? Unless you'd lower the stamina price for a buff cast at a lower level?
-18:05:54- (Spaz2) Personaly, where you have current Default cast levels in your preferences they should be the buff they get CASTED at
-18:06:06- (Spaz2) So its to the players choice what level they get, not the buffers
-18:06:08- (UrcK) anyone disagree about Barricade?
-18:06:13- (@Hoof) MrDoom: We can just make it a global option tho
-18:06:15- (Chazz) what is wrong with barricade? I do not understand and first I am learning about this
-18:06:18- (@Hoof) MrDoom: Wouldn't be hard to do
-18:06:32- (@Hoof) Spaz: no
-18:06:36- (@Hoof) Spaz: it would be the buffers
-18:06:43- (@Hoof) Spaz: they could choose not to do the default
-18:06:45- (Ryebred) I think people who leveled to get access will be teaed that any 500 being able to get the same buffs + ultimately crush a already tight b"buffer:' market
-18:06:51- (UrcK) not so much what is wrong with Barricade but what could be right about it
-18:06:52- (Spaz2) Stuff like NMV and SC can be too easily abusable on the BB
-18:07:02- (Hallowed1) Would the stam spendature decrease with level?
-18:07:07- (UrcK) not if you have them blocked
-18:07:11- (Spaz2) Screw up said players stats and anyone can defeat 'em.
-18:07:34- (@Hoof) ok so Barricade
-18:07:35- (Maehdros) you can block buffs or iggy the player
-18:07:36- (Ryebred) would be nice to have level setting on incoming buffs as a option..so players can set there own ceiling
-18:07:37- (UrcK) thats why they added skills blocking
-18:07:40- (@Hoof) would anyone be against changing it to....
-18:07:46- (zizzwyly) .3 per point sounds fine hoof
-18:07:47- (@Hoof) 0.2% instead of 0.1%
-18:07:48- (Mr_Doom) So you'd get rid of the three selectors we currently have for CA, SC and NMV? If so then I don't really like this idea. Tbh only the buffs that transfer a set amount of points from stats to stat (or add them) need this slider.. Who needs a AL, DD, DW 123 etc?
-18:07:54- (Spaz2) No, true. But if I am in an Armor setup SC could be beneficial, and destructive. If I am in defence NMV could be helpful and destructive too.
-18:07:56- (zizzwyly) .2 sorry
-18:07:57- (Maehdros) thats 35% of damage
-18:08:03- (Maehdros) terror is 17.5%
-18:08:05- (Maehdros) eeks
-18:08:08- (Maehdros) lose 50%
-18:08:10- (Maehdros) >.< -18:08:13- (Maehdros) .1 is fine
-18:08:16- (Maehdros) adjustable
-18:08:21- (nyklos) +1
-18:08:26- (UrcK) KKE and DC will get around even .5 mae
-18:08:35- (Maehdros) oO
-18:08:39- (@Hoof) .1 is fine if it is adjustable?
-18:08:43- (Maehdros) yip
-18:08:48- (Maehdros) some just want a small boost
-18:08:52- (Maehdros) adjustable
-18:08:52- (Ryebred) casting both lvl 175 on someone cripples there attack stat..and has been exploited by many. I like using both buffs..but would love to have a setting to set allowed level ceiling
-18:08:53- (UrcK) needs to be up'd to at least.2
-18:08:59- (nyklos) Its work fine actualy ... why changing that ?
-18:09:16- (@Hoof) Does anyone think it should be .2 or would that be OP?
-18:09:20- (Spaz2) Ryebred: thats why im trying to get at here.
-18:09:29- (zizzwyly) .2 makes sense
-18:09:39- (UrcK) hoof .. mae can get 60k att .. i at best can get 32k def
-18:09:41- (jonahtebaa) go for middle ground. 0.15
-18:09:45- (@Hoof) we can do .15
-18:09:50- (jonahtebaa) copy cat
-18:09:52- (jonahtebaa) ;p
-18:09:52- (Maehdros) lol
-18:09:55- (@Hoof) <- my idea
-18:10:00- (jonahtebaa) lol
-18:10:02- (@Hoof) well Radnetos
-18:10:04- (boeffie) sounds ok, i think 0.2 is high
-18:10:04- (Maehdros) urck...i can also go splat against dispel curse ;)
-18:10:04- (@Hoof) but shh
-18:10:08- (@Mojawk) <- my idea spoken out loud before both of you =)
-18:10:12- (Spider0007) Yes to adjustable!
-18:10:22- (jonahtebaa) so 0.15 adjustable
-18:10:23- (Spider0007) Rate, I don't care. whichever is fine.
-18:10:23- (@Hoof) Barricade: +0.15% per point and allow the level to be specified when casting.
-18:10:24- (boeffie) adjustable, 0.15 yes
-18:10:25- (UrcK) not with KE you dont go splat
-18:10:36- (Maehdros) heh
-18:10:38- (Spider0007) sounds great!
-18:10:43- (Maehdros) rads idea +1
-18:10:44- (Chazz) ok
-18:10:46- (Mr_Doom) Instead of changing Barricade why not reduce KE? It's massively overpowered anyway... 0.0.5% would be more than enough..
-18:10:52- (Maehdros) oO
-18:10:53- (@Hoof) Hoofs idea +1
-18:10:54- (@Hoof) :D
-18:10:55- (zizzwyly) ok sounds fair
-18:10:57- (Maehdros) lmao
-18:10:57- (@Mojawk) anyone else got opinions on this before we move to the next topic?
-18:11:03- (jonahtebaa) let us not change things that are working, doom
-18:11:22- (UrcK) i will go with it .. but i have run the numbers and even .2 is way underpowered
-18:11:31- (Maehdros) nah
-18:11:41- (Maehdros) const flinch barricade dispel curse
-18:11:46- (Mr_Doom) If you call being able to stack sets and use KE to get completely insane atk stats, which can then be transferred into HP, then sure.. It works just fine...
-18:11:47- (jonahtebaa) URCK why do you want so much transfer from damage to defense?
-18:11:55- (Maehdros) doom, i have level up in attack
-18:11:57- (Maehdros) ;)
-18:12:06- (Mr_Doom) Not just referring to you Maeh...
-18:12:08- (Maehdros) ke works fine
-18:12:10- (jonahtebaa) maybe it is different at your level doom
-18:12:19- (jonahtebaa) but here, KE is just fine
-18:12:24- (jonahtebaa) has always been
-18:12:24- (@Hoof) ok one sec
-18:12:26- (Maehdros) whats needed ( and sorry for offtopic) is a buff similar to KE and SH)
-18:12:48- (@Mojawk) ok so we're good on barricade
-18:13:06- (@Mojawk) next up is
-18:13:09- (@Mojawk) How can a level 1 player with no gear defeat someone with 10K armor? Last Ditch kicks in, Reflection ends up killing the attacker.
-18:13:18- (@Mojawk) my thought was cap the damage done by reflection
-18:13:22- (@Savanc) Can you summarize what will happen with Barricade?
-18:13:23- (@Mojawk) however i like hoofs idea better
-18:13:27- (@Mojawk) he thought
-18:13:33- (@Hoof) Barricade: +0.15% per point and allow the level to be specified when casting.
-18:14:12- (@Mojawk) reflection can't be used if last ditch activated on the last hit (i.e on a killing blow)
-18:14:25- (@Hoof) ie. last ditch will nullify the relection damage
-18:14:25- (@Mojawk) thoughts? opinions?
-18:14:34- (Maehdros) it can, still be used... if they have HP to absorb the damage then reflect it back
-18:14:50- (Vastilos) reflection damage should be added to your damage for that round
-18:14:57- (Maehdros) ie: someone with 11000 hp, absorbs the damage.. and reflect % at me
-18:14:58- (jonahtebaa) why not have reflection also be affected by a reducing multiplier based on defender's dmg stat?
-18:15:03- (zizzwyly) make it so reflection damage can only get past armor if it is higher than that players armor
-18:15:12- (Chazz) I like reflection as it currently is. There are many ways of dealing with it as there are other buffs I don't see an issue
-18:15:13- (boeffie) you want it to get absorbed by armor then vastilos
-18:15:13- (staid) Increasing Barricade to +0.25% would help give players a chance to reduce their damage so that this "problem" with Reflection is lessened. (As with increasing HP)
-18:15:22- (Maehdros) add the *reflected* damage to players total damage ( similar to how chi strike works)
-18:15:33- (Vastilos) yes mae
-18:15:44- (hbklives) I like Mae's idea.
-18:15:51- (Hallowed1) Yes Mae's got it
-18:15:54- (Spaz2) There are talks of new HP ladder items. Take those into consideration too... HP will help :)
-18:16:06- (Vastilos) no
-18:16:08- (boeffie) not going straight to HP then
-18:16:09- (jonahtebaa) i didnt get ur idea Mae
-18:16:27- (boeffie) adding refl to damage, means hitting on armor rather than HP
-18:16:29- (Spider0007) I like the way reflection works now. I don't like the way it was changed to operate with force shield however.
-18:16:31- (zizzwyly) hp ladder sets will benefit arena players 90% more than pvper
-18:16:36- (Maehdros) example. Jonah has 1000 damage. I hit you for 10000 damage
-18:16:47- (Maehdros) 17.5% so 1750..is added to your total damage next hit
-18:16:52- (Maehdros) so you hit me with 2750 damage
-18:16:53- (Maehdros) ;)
-18:16:56- (Vastilos) yes maeh
-18:16:58- (Maehdros) get it?
-18:16:59- (Vastilos) exactly
-18:17:00- (Spider0007) Reflection is one of those "lesson learned" buffs. You either have to know how to beat it or it gets you every time.
-18:17:01- (jonahtebaa) brilliant
-18:17:06- (Vastilos) that is logical
-18:17:08- (@Savanc) and the hit after that it's back to 1000, right?
-18:17:11- (Maehdros) yip
-18:17:15- (Spider0007) With buffs like barricade and SC reflection/ld is a thing of the past.
-18:17:17- (Hallowed1) yes
-18:17:24- (hbklives) Love Mae's idea, it makes perfect sense.
-18:17:28- (Maehdros) as of now anyone in armor can be beaten with ld reflection kick
-18:17:29- (jonahtebaa) indeed
-18:17:31- (Maehdros) which is nuts
-18:17:36- (Vastilos) nod maeh
-18:17:37- (boeffie) so reflection can't kill you if you have enough armor, but no HP
-18:17:41- (Vastilos) its worse than nuts
-18:17:44- (boeffie) yeah
-18:17:53- (Maehdros) and its still fair with this idea
-18:17:59- (Maehdros) IF i hit you with ALOT of damage
-18:18:03- (Maehdros) you reflect alot back
-18:18:07- (Vastilos) nod mae
-18:18:08- (Spider0007) well you guys go fishing with hand grenades when attacking.
-18:18:10- (Maehdros) ie: boost your total damage
-18:18:22- (Spider0007) I like to modify my stats to specifics.
-18:18:27- (Maehdros) yes
-18:18:29- (Spider0007) I agree though that its unfair.
-18:18:38- (Maehdros) but I also dont like being beaten by a level 1 with 2 buffs
-18:18:41- (Spider0007) and think that maehdros idea makes alot of sense
-18:18:41- (@Mojawk) idea : what about reflection simply increases your damage by the % as opposed to stealing enemies damage?
-18:18:42- (Chazz) so you want reflected damage to go straight to armor than yes?
-18:18:45- (Maehdros) even when mega buffs with 39k armor
-18:18:52- (Chazz) opposed to Hp which is how it's always been
-18:19:01- (Maehdros) reflected damage is ADDED to the players total damage
-18:19:03- (Spaz2) Higher damage+Lower Armor will be the best aporack when needing Reflection to win ? E.g a hunting set
-18:19:05- (Maehdros) then they strike
-18:19:29- (Maehdros) reflection doesnt steal anything
-18:19:40- (Maehdros) but yeah your wording sounds right
-18:19:46- (Vastilos) try clearing a bounty on a level 100 when you are 1k, and ld/reflection kills you 5 times
-18:19:56- (Spider0007) that's a good idea. It seems that an addition to a players current damage will be very helpful still but not be a certain win if the attacker still has enough armor.
-18:20:04- (Chazz) I don't lose to reflection... I know how to PvP
-18:20:16- (Chazz) Reflection was never a problem for me and I'm only level 600
-18:20:18- (Vastilos) you're full of it chazz
-18:20:24- (Chazz) No I am not
-18:20:30- (Spider0007) I agree chazz
-18:20:32- (Spaz2) 248-It's fine for me too
-18:20:33- (Chazz) I'm just smart
-18:20:42- (Chazz) and above all... I know how to PvP
-18:20:44- (theotter) i dont like that moja, its nice to be able to steal the dmg from the other players attack against you, and if they dont do any dmg to you, then you dont refelct anything.
-18:20:49- (Spider0007) But I don't like how it is activating with Force shield
-18:20:51- (Maehdros) guys..relax
-18:20:51- (zizzwyly) didnt you lose 4 times last week v my guild chazz ?
-18:20:59- (Chazz) I hit into guilds fully buffed and still win... Don't try and tell me
-18:20:59- (Maehdros) reflections been broken a while..lets not have a whos who
-18:21:04- (Chazz) Yup
-18:21:05- (Maehdros) k?
-18:21:06- (Ryebred) it's still through buff catalyst that you are able to avoid reflection dmg
-18:21:11- (Chazz) That was my first loss ever
-18:21:20- (Maehdros) I like your idea rad
-18:21:22- (Maehdros) err mow
-18:21:29- (Maehdros) can i call you Moe?
-18:21:31- (Maehdros) ;)
-18:21:37- (Omura) Hey guys ;)
-18:21:38- (Chazz) " Even a broken clock is right twice a day" I'll win the next time around we can wager on it lol
-18:21:42- (@Hoof) One option would be to apply the reflected damage before the armor calculation
-18:21:45- (&Zukira) welcome to irc Omura
-18:21:51- (@Hoof) Hi Omura
-18:21:59- (@Savanc) How do you mean "apply"?
-18:22:02- (@Mojawk) ok so reflected dmg is added afterwards right
-18:22:03- (@Karznah) hey Omura
-18:22:04- (Hallowed1) Whooh 0o
-18:22:08- (MauryBund) how are you calculating it now?
-18:22:09- (Maehdros) correct
-18:22:12- (Omura) Still working late at this time ;) LOL
-18:22:12- (@Mojawk) so im trying to understand how to fix it, i just saw the code
-18:22:17- (Maehdros) ah
-18:22:21- (Maehdros) have it like chi?
-18:22:25- (Maehdros) % is added to damage?
-18:22:34- (Maehdros) cant be too hard
-18:22:34- (Hallowed1) yes
-18:22:40- (Chazz) ummm I hope not
-18:22:40- (Vastilos) reflection damage should be added to the players damage for that round
-18:22:44- (Maehdros) yes
-18:22:48- (Chazz) yes
-18:22:49- (@Savanc) But just for 1 round of combat, right?
-18:22:51- (Chazz) that round agreed
-18:22:53- (Maehdros) yip
-18:22:54- (Hallowed1) round specific yes
-18:22:57- (Chazz) yes
-18:22:57- (@Hoof) ok so
-18:22:58- (Maehdros) the next strike
-18:22:59- (@Hoof) at the moment
-18:22:59- (Spider0007) that's an awfully big change
-18:23:01- (@Mojawk) it is a % reflection to begin with tho
-18:23:08- (@Hoof) A hits B
-18:23:11- (Maehdros) it is yes, but a necessary change
-18:23:16- (@Hoof) B has reflection
-18:23:19- (Hallowed1) ok
-18:23:33- (@Hoof) B get 'x' of A's damage after the armor reduction
-18:23:35- (jonahtebaa) can we have a beta testing server where players can test all the changes we suggest here?
-18:23:36- (@Hoof) BUT
-18:23:43- (@Hoof) when B's reflection is applied to A
-18:23:47- (Maehdros) Oo
-18:23:49- (@Savanc) Hoof, you want the room for a moment to explain it?
-18:23:50- (@Hoof) it is also AFTER the armor calc currently
-18:23:51- (Chazz) if B is able to reflect more damage than person A has armor person A will lose
-18:23:56- (Hallowed1) plz
-18:23:58- (@Hoof) so
-18:24:02- (@Hoof) what I'm suggesting
-18:24:04- (@Hoof) is we change it to
-18:24:29- (@Hoof) Apply the reflection damage that B gains
-18:24:31- (@Hoof) to there damage
-18:24:35- (@Hoof) BEFORE
-18:24:39- (@Hoof) the armor reduction from A
-18:24:43- (@Hoof) hope that makes sense :D
-18:24:47- (@Mojawk) yeah i think so
-18:24:53- (@Mojawk) that would balance it a bit more imo
-18:25:03- (@LamiumFSDev) made sense here
-18:25:04- (@Mojawk) thoughts??
-18:25:08- (RD) so reflection is now going to be nulled ny RA/ nullify ?
-18:25:12- (hbklives) Sounds great.
-18:25:12- (theotter) so if Person a has 10kdmg, and person b has 5k armor, then person B would refect 17.5% of 10k?
-18:25:17- (Hallowed1) Thumbs up
-18:25:31- (Maehdros) no
-18:25:32- (@Hoof) theotter: no
-18:25:33- (RD) came in mid convo,. so not sure that has been addressed
-18:25:46- (@Hoof) theotter: they would reflect 17.5% of 5k
-18:25:47- (@Hoof) BUT
-18:25:47- (MauryBund) so original damage + reflected damage would then have to be graeter than Armor stat for it to effect more than 1 hp?
-18:25:54- (@Hoof) it would be applied currently after the armor calc
-18:25:57- (boeffie) yes sounds like it
-18:26:06- (@Hoof) Maury: yes
-18:26:06- (Vastilos) if person a has 100 damage and gets hits by person b with 10000 damage, person a gets 17.5% of that damage added to their 100 damage
-18:26:09- (Maehdros) after armor calculation...that part confuses me
-18:26:14- (MauryBund) yes, yes yes
-18:26:24- (Maehdros) its still... % is added to their damage, then hits me..right?
-18:26:25- (theotter) yea, thats whats not making sense to me Mae
-18:26:25- (MauryBund) alaways wished it were that way
-18:26:26- (@Hoof) Vastilo: yes
-18:26:26- (Vastilos) if person b has 10k armor, they should not die
-18:26:34- (@Zorg) after armor calculation means it ignores armor
-18:26:36- (Vastilos) unless crit hit/pierc strike
-18:26:37- (@Zorg) and is not reduced by it
-18:26:37- (@Hoof) I think it makes sense
-18:26:43- (Maehdros) ie: ALL their damage, ( including reflection) is included in one strike
-18:26:44- (Hallowed1) it does
-18:26:58- (@Hoof) Anyone fancy explaining this on the change log? :D
-18:27:04- (Ryebred) will do wonders for big guild relic defense in armor as proposed...neary impossible for even a avg guild to have slight chance to capture. I like the parody, live with the fact then when not able to defend - a lower level player can get at me through buffs we've ived with in game mechanics so long
-18:27:09- (@Mojawk) currently the reflection damage is added after armor mitigation
-18:27:10- (@LamiumFSDev) Shotgun not me!
-18:27:15- (jonahtebaa) hoof, can we have a practical example with numbers while chat is on mute
-18:27:16- (Maehdros) ahh oki
-18:27:24- (@Hoof) Reflection: Change it so the reflected damage is applied before the armor calculation.
-18:27:30- (@Hoof) jon: sure 1 sec
-18:27:37- (@Hoof) Ok
-18:27:44- (@Hoof) so player A has 1000 damage
-18:27:48- (@Hoof) player B has 500 armor
-18:27:51- (@Hoof) A hits B
-18:27:56- (@Hoof) and does 500 DMG
-18:28:06- (@Hoof) but evil B has relection! OH NOS!
-18:28:12- (@Hoof) Skill Level 175!!!!
-18:28:24- (@Hoof) B has 10 damage normally
-18:28:28- (@Hoof) A has 100 armor
-18:28:35- (@Hoof) so normally B does 1 dmg to A
-18:28:38- (@Hoof) BUT!!!
-18:28:46- (@Zorg) And then the rain began, a storm was approaching.
-18:29:03- (@LamiumFSDev) shh Zorg your ruining storytime!
-18:29:10- (@Hoof) so this would create a reflection dmg of
-18:29:57- (@Hoof) 175 x 0.01 x 500 dmg = 88 dmg
-18:30:00- (@Hoof) SO
-18:30:02- (@Hoof) currently
-18:30:09- (@Hoof) B does 89 dmg to A
-18:30:10- (@Hoof) ie.,
-18:30:20- (@Hoof) 1 DMG, then 88 from reflection
-18:30:25- (@Hoof) END OF COMBAT
-18:30:29- (@Hoof) Winter is coming...
-18:30:33- (@Hoof) ok
-18:30:34- (@Hoof) but
-18:30:38- (@Hoof) what we're suggesting
-18:30:44- (@Hoof) is apply that 88 dmg
-18:30:47- (@Hoof) before the armor calc
-18:30:50- (@Hoof) so in this cace
-18:30:52- (@Hoof) case
-18:30:59- (@Hoof) B would have 10 + 88 = 98
-18:31:14- (@Hoof) so in this case B would still do 1 DMG
-18:31:18- (@Hoof) which makes it a really bad example
-18:31:24- (@Hoof) because A had 100 armor
-18:31:28- (@Hoof) but if A had like 50 armor
-18:31:33- (@Hoof) it would be a good example
-18:31:34- (@Hoof) :D
-18:31:38- (@LamiumFSDev) *cue applause*
-18:31:40- (MauryBund) run with that
-18:31:42- (jonahtebaa) LMAOOOOO
-18:31:43- (Maehdros) yip
-18:31:44- (Spider0007) lmao
-18:31:45- (ernzor) sounds good to me
-18:31:47- (Hallowed1) LMFDAO
-18:31:48- (@Savanc) Hoof, don't give up your day job to become a story writer XD
-18:31:48- (hbklives) That's great!
-18:31:50- (Chazz) LOL ok
-18:31:52- (zizzwyly) its a good example actually
-18:31:53- • @Hoof notes that none of the team have been drinking
-18:31:54- (jonahtebaa) but yes
-18:31:55- (Spider0007) This is a very big change to the game mechanics
-18:31:56- (jonahtebaa) good idea
-18:32:03- (Maehdros) it is a big change yes
-18:32:08- (@LamiumFSDev) :P
-18:32:09- (Maehdros) but players will adapt
-18:32:10- (Hallowed1) I like it :)
-18:32:13- (Maehdros) its been broken too long
-18:32:14- (Vastilos) yes hoof, that's how it should have been in the first place.
-18:32:16- (RD) so now reflection will be effected by RA nullify, or no ?
-18:32:20- (Maehdros) yip
-18:32:23- (Maehdros) it should be
-18:32:29- (MauryBund) it should
-18:32:31- (Maehdros) peirce as well
-18:32:31- (@Zorg) Vastilos: Excellent, where did we park the time machine? :D
-18:32:34- (Hallowed1) But with 50 Armor :)
-18:32:43- (&Zukira) Lamium is now famous. http://fallenswordirc.com/qdb/?ptype=single&qid=643
-18:32:49- (zizzwyly) but if i have 15 k armor and you have and you have 100 damage you shouldnt be able to hit
-18:33:00- (@Savanc) RD: Yes
-18:33:05- (Chazz) understood
-18:33:13- (theotter) on that note then, maybe adding more then just .01 to reflection?
-18:33:20- (Maehdros) hm
-18:33:22- (@Hoof) zizz: this way they would still only do 1 dmg to you then
-18:33:27- (Vastilos) @Zorg: it's in my basement
-18:33:33- (@Hoof) as essentially reflection bypasses armor
-18:33:38- (Maehdros) make reflection .2% then?
-18:33:40- (zizzwyly) exactly much better
-18:33:44- (@Zorg) Zorg: We'll never get it up to 88mph in your basement :/
-18:33:47- (theotter) thats what i was thinking mae
-18:33:56- (Maehdros) so it still packs a punch
-18:33:58- (Chazz) yes .2 is nice
-18:33:59- (@Zorg) why did I just tag that zorg: ?
-18:34:02- (@Zorg) I'm talking to myself now :(
-18:34:03- (theotter) because 17.5% against any standard armor setup is not enough
-18:34:09- (theotter) so it makes it relativly worthless.
-18:34:12- • Maehdros slaps zorg with a codfish
-18:34:17- • @LamiumFSDev slaps Zorg around a bit with a large trout
-18:34:19- (Vastilos) yes we will, my basement is 30 miles long and 5 miles wide
-18:34:21- (Spider0007) I like the increase much better
-18:34:25- (RD) am not sure i like that, reflection has always been one of the show stoppers on armor suits, now just nig armor will be rather unpenetrable, also refl as the way it is now, gives lower level players a way to win at least sometimes against higher level players
-18:34:29- (@Zorg) Negative stamina Maehdros.... negative stamina...
-18:34:30- (jonahtebaa) but what about SA PS CH etc...
-18:34:49- (Vastilos) but it shouldn't RD
-18:34:54- (@Zorg) Android has an irc client? o.O
-18:34:59- (@Wolf) yes
-18:35:02- (zizzwyly) why should thy win'
-18:35:06- (Hallowed1) Umm cod fish lol Really
-18:35:15- (majar)
-18:35:15- (Maehdros) nooo zorg >.< -18:35:16- (@Wolf) "Andrio"
-18:35:20- (Maehdros) im from newfoundland
-18:35:22- (Maehdros) lots of cod here
-18:35:23- (Ryebred) going to eat. like the direction of chat, and looks like favorable changes collectively are coming. Gnight all
-18:35:23- (Maehdros) ;)
-18:35:25- (RD) why should they, i think they should be able to at least have a chance,
-18:35:28- (Maehdros) nite rye
-18:35:31- (@Savanc) Don't go offtopic guys!
-18:35:32- (@LamiumFSDev) Night rye
-18:35:35- (Vastilos) night rye
-18:35:39- (@Mojawk) cya
-18:35:43- (@Wolf) later Ryebred
-18:35:46- (Maehdros) big BIG +1 on the changes to buffs so far
-18:35:53- (zizzwyly) then level up
-18:36:07- (zizzwyly) we had to has to be some benefit to it
-18:36:09- (RD) so now refl will be subject to nullify, RA trerr, and all others.
-18:36:18- (Maehdros) terror effects normal damage
-18:36:21- (Maehdros) before combat
-18:36:21- (Maehdros) ;)
-18:36:24- (Maehdros) i think Oo
-18:36:26- (Mr_Doom) That was a really long story to just say reflected damage no longer negates armour.. I kinda fell asleep..
-18:36:29- (Spider0007) .2% makes more sense. .25% I like a bit better myself.
-18:36:31- (stimpysam) can we have a short recap on reflection changes
-18:36:35- (RD) but not damage post reflection?
-18:36:46- (Maehdros) @ RD i wouldnt think
-18:36:50- (@Savanc) 0.1% per points sounds alright to me
-18:36:55- (@Zorg) This would be more fun if I wasn't deathly ill :(
-18:36:56- (@Savanc) *point
-18:37:08- (Maehdros) ie: 10000 damage becomes 8250 ( terror) THEN add reflection damage if the player reflects something
-18:37:12- (Omura) Ok guys! See ya all later. I f I dont go now my kids will start WW3 ;) LMAO I will catch up later ...
-18:37:19- (jonahtebaa) I dont think we need more than 0.1%
-18:37:23- (zizzwyly) same here zorg not well at all
-18:37:23- (UrcK) cup of tea and a spoonful of honey Zorg
-18:37:34- (&Zukira) take care Omura, feel free to come back anytime. we dont bite (hard)
-18:37:37- (@Zorg) I wanted the day off sick but Hoofmaster wouldn't let me. :(
-18:37:42- (RD) kill it with whiskey zorg
-18:37:43- (Omura) lol
-18:37:44- (theotter) i think more then .1 is needed
-18:37:46- (jonahtebaa) reflection should make a difference in close combat
-18:37:48- (Maehdros) is that why i got 0 stam? cus your cranky?
-18:37:49- (Maehdros) ;)
-18:37:56- • @BionicBovine offers Zorg an apple?
-18:37:57- (zizzwyly) lol i am off to work in 40 mins
-18:38:02- (jonahtebaa) not in a big level gap combat
-18:38:14- (Vastilos) My boss is yelling at me right now
-18:38:29- (Vastilos) he has no idea what i'm doing, so i told him im communicating with people in the matrix
-18:38:31- (jonahtebaa) recruit ur boss
-18:38:52- (UrcK) i running the numbers for .1 vs .2 now in normal EOC setups
-18:38:56- (UrcK) im
-18:38:58- (&Zukira) lol nice Vastilos
-18:38:59- (@Hoof) i think .2 would be ok
-18:39:00- (Denyza) I like this chat much better, now we're talking about random things
-18:39:06- (@Hoof) if we're changing it to pre-armor calc
-18:39:14- (Maehdros) .2 is good
-18:39:14- (RD) .2 even with distilled refl pots ?
-18:39:16- (Maehdros) still strong
-18:39:24- (@Hoof) hmmm
-18:39:25- (@Hoof) yeah
-18:39:26- (zizzwyly) sounds fair that it activates more
-18:39:26- (theotter) but not overwhelming.
-18:39:34- (&Zukira) be sure to drop in when it isn't a dev chat, just make sure you say hi so it notifies us :)
-18:39:34- (@Hoof) its not on % chance
-18:39:45- (jonahtebaa) refelction always activates
-18:39:50- (@Hoof) jon: yeah
-18:39:54- (DarthViper) if .1% is too weak and .2% is to strong why not make it .15%
-18:39:54- (@Hoof) its the % dmg
-18:40:04- (@Hoof) i think it needs a bit of a boost
-18:40:04- (theotter) no, .2 is not to strong, lol
-18:40:10- (theotter) maybe .5 would be to strong
-18:40:11- (shindrak) hello
-18:40:13- (@Hoof) so maybe 0.15% is ok
-18:40:15- (@Hoof) hi shindrak
-18:40:20- (MauryBund) .2 probably won't be too strong if it is pre-armor calc
-18:40:25- (Maehdros) it basically works like chi strike now for a combat
-18:40:30- (stormfury) .2 is fine
-18:40:31- (Maehdros) so .15 or .2 is good
-18:40:32- (majar) \quote
-18:40:34- (boeffie) think if it hits back on armor, 0.2 wouldbe ok
-18:40:42- (@Hoof) who is for 0.15 and who is for 0.2
-18:40:47- (Spider0007) .2% please
-18:40:48- (zizzwyly) .2 is fine
-18:40:49- (@Hoof) assuming we're changing it to before armor
-18:40:50- (jonahtebaa) reflection 250 pot would be 50%
-18:40:50- (Hallowed1) .2
-18:40:51- (stimpysam) 0.2
-18:40:52- (theotter) i like .2
-18:40:53- (MauryBund) .2
-18:40:54- (UrcK) .2
-18:40:55- (Maehdros) either is fine by me
-18:40:58- (shindrak) so what you planning to make gloat and honor?
-18:40:59- (stormfury) .2
-18:41:03- (Bildor) .2
-18:41:03- (@Hoof) sjin
-18:41:04- (Odinsson) .2
-18:41:04- (Spider0007) This is a big change in mechanics and reflection still needs to pack a punch imo
-18:41:08- (@Hoof) shin: i'll summarize soon :)
-18:41:10- (RD) distlled refl pot would be near 65% i think
-18:41:11- (@Savanc) I prefer 0.1%, but if I can only choose between those two then: 0.15%
-18:41:21- (shindrak) thanks :)
-18:41:27- (jonahtebaa) 0.15 is fine
-18:41:32- (jonahtebaa) a bit over but ok
-18:41:33- (Maehdros) 288 x .2% @ RD
-18:41:38- (Mr_Doom) Hoof it works 'after' terrorize has had it's effect on the attackers damage right?
-18:41:39- (Maehdros) 58%
-18:41:50- (Chazz) .15 what percet per point or .15% as in total?
-18:41:51- (@Hoof) Reflection: +0.2% per point of enemies damage inflicted is added to your next combat strike. Change it so the reflected damage is applied before the armor calculation.
-18:41:54- (jonahtebaa) yes after terror
-18:42:00- (jonahtebaa) it works on inflicted damage
-18:42:16- (Chazz) ok +1 Hoof that is fine
-18:42:34- (RD) well, was close for a non mathmatical guess, lol, low damage, high attack high armor, you wont have to worry about refl anymore, or am i missing part of the equation ?
-18:42:50- (@Mojawk) we have feedback with the players more often so any tweak's or changes we make today will be open to discussing them at a future chat
-18:42:50- (@Savanc) I think the Reflection 250 buff is quite overpowered now
-18:43:06- (@Hoof) Sav: with this change it won't be tho
-18:43:15- (@Savanc) Refl250 (with Distil) can reflect up to 57.6^% of the damage now :s
-18:43:23- (Maehdros) before, reflection killed anyone without lots of hp
-18:43:25- (@Hoof) Sav: yes, but before armor calc
-18:43:26- (Chazz) .2 % per point Reflection is nothing to sleep on and even high up could bite the big one
-18:43:31- (Maehdros) correct
-18:43:32- (shindrak) armor will stop reflection dmg now?
-18:43:35- (Maehdros) yip
-18:43:38- (Maehdros) bascially
-18:43:41- (Maehdros) if you have enough armor
-18:43:47- (UrcK) going over the logistics and this seems like a very good solution to thie reflection debacle
-18:43:49- (RD) armor, nullify and RA, and not sure about terr
-18:44:03- (Maehdros) its better then a level 1 spamming you with ld ref RD :P
-18:44:06- (Maehdros) ;)
-18:44:12- (shindrak) whats the point of hp ? everyone go same setups and wait for luck in this case
-18:44:26- (Maehdros) Hp can absorb a PS or a crit hit
-18:44:27- (@Savanc) Yes, but before it didn't mattar that much how much damage got relfected, because even a bit would kill your HP. Now the amount of reflected damage does matter, because +57.6% to your damage easily gets you over the other's armor
-18:44:28- (shindrak) i prefer it as it is
-18:44:31- (UrcK) i know ,right .. like the level 49 that cleared a fully buffed EOC'r the other day ..lol
-18:44:34- (Spider0007) So High Armor, low damage sets are going to dominate
-18:44:43- (Chazz) HP has always been added to your armor value when being hit I don't see that changing
-18:44:51- (Maehdros) @ savanc it depends on the damage that hit you,
-18:44:53- (Chazz) Hp will still have a place in the game Shin
-18:44:54- (RD) could make it like arena, highest HP after the 100 rounds of no resolution of high armor sets win, lol
-18:45:00- (Maehdros) god no
-18:45:03- (theotter) lol @ RD
-18:45:03- (Maehdros) shoosh
-18:45:09- (Hallowed1) Whats the verdict?
-18:45:13- (Maehdros) me likey
-18:45:20- (Spider0007) Of course you do mae
-18:45:24- (Maehdros) rofl
-18:45:31- (Spider0007) You can probably stack more armor than anyone in the game.
-18:45:38- (Spider0007) who can hit you then?
-18:45:41- (Maehdros) im not asking because of me
-18:45:44- (Chazz) LOL Spider
-18:45:46- (RD) as suggested in forums, could we have alfa charectors to test these changes on ?
-18:45:49- (shindrak) i have unique setup 30k hp to kill low dmg setups ... now its wont .. everyone will have to use same setups ... looks dull
-18:46:05- (Chazz) not true Shin
-18:46:05- (Maehdros) make a new set up then shin :)
-18:46:08- (@Hoof) ok
-18:46:08- (shindrak) i hope u get the point
-18:46:10- (@Hoof) one sec
-18:46:11- (zizzwyly) 30 k hp that all
-18:46:11- (UrcK) alpha PvP testing .. i would be there
-18:46:17- (@Hoof) to summarize so far
-18:46:26- (@Hoof) Gloat: +0.2% per point gold stolen in PvP
-18:46:30- (@Hoof) Honor: -0.2% xp loss in PvP (Does not work during bounties)
-18:46:34- (@Hoof) Sealed: 0.2% per point chance to negate 2 buffs.
-18:46:38- (@Hoof) Barricade: +0.15% per point and allow the level to be specified when casting.
-18:46:42- (@Hoof) Reflection: +0.2% per point of enemies damage inflicted is added to your next combat strike. Change it so the reflected damage is applied before the armor calculation.
-18:47:59- (@Hoof) One sec
-18:48:05- (@Hoof) Rad is looking at questions
-18:48:11- (@Hoof) please PM him if you want something discussed :)
-18:48:16- (@Zorg) Rad = Mojawk
-18:48:48- (@Mojawk) ok
-18:48:56- (@Mojawk) next topic for the floor
-18:49:00- (@Zorg) Toast
-18:49:07- (@Zorg) white bread, brown bread, thoughts?
-18:49:30- (@Mojawk) Wither and Ageless activate before Fortitude and Severe Condition
-18:49:38- (@Mojawk) should this be changed around>
-18:49:41- (@Mojawk) ?
-18:49:45- (@Karznah) 50/50 all the way Zorg
-18:49:55- (@LamiumFSDev) +1 Karznah
-18:50:06- (RD) i think wither should activate after all other HP bonuses are aplied
-18:50:07- (Hallowed1) 50/50 YES
-18:50:10- (@Karznah) “White with all the goodness of brown”
-18:50:11- (Maehdros) yip
-18:50:15- (jonahtebaaHOME) wither 350 would kill SC. about 80% activation rate
-18:50:16- (theotter) i agree with RD
-18:50:17- (Scathian) wither and ageless should defintly come after SC and fortitude
-18:50:34- (Chazz) +1 RD
-18:50:36- (zizzwyly) yep agreed
-18:50:44- (jonahtebaaHOME) when we use SC, we sacrifice a lot of stats to get that HP
-18:50:51- (jonahtebaaHOME) wither 350 pot will just kill them all
-18:50:52- (Maehdros) depends on the level
-18:50:54- (Maehdros) nah
-18:50:58- (Maehdros) ageless buff
-18:51:07- (Vastilos) i needs coffee :p
-18:51:10- (RD) you should be open to vulnerabilities sacrificing those stats
-18:51:14- (shindrak) and ageless pot lvl 350 would be good
-18:51:14- (Maehdros) if people use more wither pots its a good gold sink ;)
-18:51:19- (jonahtebaaHOME) sacrifice is too big
-18:51:24- (Chazz) ageless should affect SC, but wither should affect them all
-18:51:25- (RD) then use smaller SC
-18:51:41- (Scathian) every buff needs a counter
-18:51:42- (UrcK) it will be adjustable jonah
-18:51:55- (bigred713) considering the bazaar wither does not activate or me,,right
-18:51:58- (jonahtebaaHOME) i think SC was a fair buff
-18:52:00- (stormfury) if you think the sacrifice is to big then dont use SC
-18:52:12- (RD) and if i still have reflection questions, do i just post on forum now ?
-18:52:16- (jonahtebaaHOME) storm, please read well
-18:52:21- (RD) when the topis is opened i mean
-18:52:41- (Hallowed1) Hello White Bread :) 50/50
-18:52:55- (@Hoof) On Topic Sil vous please
-18:52:56- (@Hoof) |:D
-18:53:03- (@Hoof) so….
-18:53:10- (@Hoof) Do we want Wither / Ageless to activate before SC?
-18:53:15- (Maehdros) no
-18:53:16- (shindrak) after
-18:53:16- (RD) no, after
-18:53:17- (Maehdros) after
-18:53:19- (Scathian) after
-18:53:20- (theotter) after.
-18:53:20- (stormfury) after
-18:53:21- (UrcK) after ..
-18:53:22- (@Mojawk) what about fortitude
-18:53:23- (shindrak) lol
-18:53:24- (Maehdros) wither activates last tho
-18:53:30- • jonahtebaaHOME shuts up
-18:53:30- (Maehdros) same applies to fort
-18:53:31- (UrcK) is has the slightest of affect as is
-18:53:33- (@Savanc) First SC, then Fortitude, then Ageless, next is Wither
-18:53:38- (Maehdros) yus
-18:53:39- (@Hoof) ok good
-18:53:41- (@Hoof) so before SC
-18:53:43- (theotter) ageless or wither, doesnt matter which way they work lol
-18:53:43- (@Hoof) got it
-18:53:46- (Denyza) Wither should only activate on creature, perhaps… since we have wither350
-18:53:51- (Maehdros) what is before sc hoof?
-18:53:52- (RD) i think should be fortitude first to get full stats from defense, then SC
-18:53:53- (@Hoof) you like it as it is?
-18:53:54- (shindrak) yea like what savanc said
-18:53:55- (Maehdros) we just said after Oo
-18:53:57- (@Hoof) Wither before SC
-18:54:01- (@Hoof) noted that down
-18:54:03- (Maehdros) after it
-18:54:05- (jonahtebaaHOME) remember this guys, SC is now a dead buff
-18:54:10- (Maehdros) if its before it doesnt effect it
-18:54:19- (Hallowed1) Oh wth after sheesh
-18:54:19- (Mr_Doom) lmao…
-18:54:19- (RD) no it is not SC will still be very powerful
-18:54:23- (Maehdros) sc is not dead, it can absorb damage which would otherwise kill you
-18:54:25- (jonahtebaaHOME) distil a wither 350 and HP is dust
-18:54:27- (@Hoof) Mae: Yup I agree Wither should be before SC
-18:54:36- (Maehdros) I said after hoof
-18:54:37- (Maehdros) lol
-18:54:41- (@Hoof) Mae: I hear you
-18:54:44- (Maehdros) >.< -18:54:44- (shindrak) after
-18:54:45- (jonahtebaaHOME) wither before SC is ok
-18:54:46- (shindrak) plz
-18:54:46- (@Hoof) Mae: Noted it down as before
-18:54:53- (shindrak) ageless after too
-18:54:55- (@Hoof) :D
-18:55:00- (@Hoof) j/k
-18:55:02- (Maehdros) *facepalms*
-18:55:03- (@Hoof) ok
-18:55:04- (jonahtebaaHOME) now things got confusing
-18:55:04- (Spider0007) omg
-18:55:06- (RD) lol
-18:55:08- (Spider0007) shoot me
-18:55:11- (@Hoof) :D
-18:55:12- (Spider0007) lol
-18:55:13- (@Hoof) ok so
-18:55:16- (Scathian) hoof, what is your intended version of the buff activation?
-18:55:16- (@LamiumFSDev) Can you lock and state the order please hoof?
-18:55:21- (@Hoof) is anyone against moving Wither / Ageless after SC?
-18:55:22- (boeffie) hahahaha
-18:55:23- (weapon4war) bang
-18:55:27- (@LamiumFSDev) as in the revised order
-18:55:31- (Hallowed1) NO
-18:55:35- (zizzwyly) nope its good
-18:55:38- (jonahtebaaHOME) i want wither before SC
-18:55:39- (hbklives) nope.\
-18:55:54- (theotter) ageless before or after wither doesnt make a difference lol.
-18:55:58- (Maehdros) fort, sc, ageless, wither
-18:56:09- (@LamiumFSDev) thanks Mae
-18:56:10- (Maehdros) in that order
-18:56:11- (RD) agrees with mae on that order
-18:56:13- (shindrak) its make difference theotter
-18:56:17- (Chazz) wither must be last
-18:56:21- (Maehdros) yip
-18:56:22- (jonahtebaaHOME) :(
-18:56:24- (UrcK) ageless after SC +1
-18:56:26- (Maehdros) jonah
-18:56:30- (Chazz) +1 Mae
-18:56:30- • jonahtebaaHOME bids SC farewell
-18:56:32- (zizzwyly) hp needs to be countered
-18:56:36- (Maehdros) I can get 80000 HP or even 100k
-18:56:40- (Chazz) it will not be fair well
-18:56:41- (Maehdros) thats useful
-18:56:41- (Spider0007) [18:53] First SC, then Fortitude, then Ageless, next is Wither
-18:56:41- (Maehdros) ;)
-18:56:48- (Maehdros) sc will still be good
-18:56:49- (jonahtebaaHOME) but how much attack would you have then?
-18:56:50- (@Savanc) :)
-18:56:52- (Maehdros) alot
-18:56:54- (UrcK) wither b4 SC agless after .. awesome!
-18:56:55- (Maehdros) 20k? or more
-18:56:57- (Maehdros) lol
-18:56:57- (jonahtebaaHOME) and not all changes should be based on EOC gear
-18:57:03- (@Hoof) Change combat so that Wither / Ageless activates after Severe Condition.
-18:57:04- (jonahtebaaHOME) the gear there is what needs to be fixed
-18:57:05- (Hallowed1) URk =1
-18:57:08- (Hallowed1) +1
-18:57:11- (Hallowed1) :)
-18:57:21- (RD) spider, if fort is after SC we lose the bonus from the defense being nicked by SC
-18:57:23- (jonahtebaaHOME) for you to be able to get 100k HP, that means ur sets are too over empowered
-18:57:31- (Scathian) looks good hoof
-18:57:37- (RD) means we need wither after SC ;)
-18:57:56- (Chazz) I hope wither is last in this calucation
-18:58:00- (jonahtebaaHOME) at lower levels, it is different
-18:58:02- (Spider0007) so sc, then fort, then ageless, then wither?
-18:58:08- (Chazz) yes
-18:58:09- (Spider0007) sorry, I’m confused lol
-18:58:09- (RD) no fort first
-18:58:15- (@Savanc) First Fortitude, then SC, then Ageless, next is Wither < --- How about this then?
-18:58:21- (shindrak) fortitude>SC>ageless>wither
-18:58:29- (Spider0007) yes
-18:58:30- (UrcK) agreed
-18:58:31- (Spider0007) I like that
-18:58:31- (Chazz) ok
-18:58:35- (Chazz) will work
-18:58:38- (RD) shindrak has it down ;)
-18:58:50- (RD) as did sav when i look up
-18:59:18- (Spider0007) well I like that order
-18:59:23- (RD) same here
-18:59:28- (zizzwyly) same here it works
-18:59:34- (jonahtebaaHOME) pass
-19:00:02- (shindrak) but make sure u make some shiny ageless pot lvl 350 :P
-19:00:09- (shindrak) counter for wither 350
-19:00:14- (Spider0007) lol
-19:00:20- (Chazz) lol
-19:00:23- (stimpysam) yes to ageless pot
-19:00:23- (UrcK) just make wither before SC
-19:00:29- (Chazz) no
-19:00:32- • @Savanc looks around for the Cows
-19:00:39- (jonahtebaaHOME) good point there Shindrak
-19:00:39- (@Hoof) Change combat activation order to Fortitude -> Severe Condition -> Ageless -> Wither.
-19:00:45- (@Hoof) does that make sense?
-19:00:49- (hbklives) yes.
-19:00:49- (Spider0007) yes
-19:00:50- (RD) yes hoof , that looks good
-19:00:51- (Scathian) yes
-19:00:52- (Chazz) yes Hoof
-19:00:52- (@Mojawk) sorry we’re talking here =)
-19:00:55- (zizzwyly) yes do it already\
-19:01:01- • weapon4war looks for shatter armor 350 ;D
-19:01:07- (@Mojawk) ok
-19:01:09- (jonahtebaaHOME) So ageless doubles SC HP now?
-19:01:10- (Spider0007) lol
-19:01:15- (shindrak) yea
-19:01:16- (Chazz) yes
-19:01:19- (Maehdros) yes hoof
-19:01:23- (RD) it would unless it gets sealed jonah
-19:01:24- (Maehdros) and yes @ shin for an ageless pot
-19:01:25- (Maehdros) ;)
-19:01:25- (zizzwyly) how are you nappeh ?
-19:01:30- (UrcK) so you want with which normally takes ‘x’ amount of HP to take ‘x’ amount of HP that was transfered from other stats with DC?
-19:01:34- (@Hoof) another 30 mins of questions
-19:01:41- (@Hoof) then 30 mins of new skill brainstorming :D
-19:01:46- (Chazz) Bounty board update please
-19:01:46- (@Hoof) if that is cool with everyone?
-19:01:52- (RD) sure
-19:01:57- (Chazz) is fine
-19:02:13- (@LamiumFSDev) That’s cool with me :)
-19:02:37- (@Mojawk) ok
-19:02:43- (@Mojawk) last question on buffs
-19:03:01- (@Mojawk) then we’re going to talk about Bounty Board
-19:03:19- (@Mojawk) so Spell Leech
-19:03:21- (@Mojawk) example
-19:03:33- (@Mojawk) If I have wither 350 but I leech someones wither 175 I will lose my pot
-19:04:13- (Chazz) but as bad as that is… The bb is much more serious I feel and with only 30 mins for discussion I think the bb is more important
-19:04:19- (Denyza) Leeched buff shouldn’t replace higher buff, if possible.
-19:04:26- (&Zukira) what Denyza said
-19:04:27- (jonahtebaaHOME) makes sense
-19:04:27- (theotter) +1 to denyza
-19:04:30- (Odinsson) higher buff should stay
-19:04:33- (jonahtebaaHOME) i think this one is simple
-19:04:35- (zizzwyly) its a no brainer
-19:04:43- (RD) mojawk, i think that is a fair trtade, spell leach is very powerfuul and should come with some consiquence
-19:04:48- (@Hoof) but
-19:05:11- (Maehdros) chazz… he said he would adress it
-19:05:12- (&Zukira) it could still impact the time change
-19:05:14- (@Hoof) ok
-19:05:15- (mib_wlzus2) I agree with RD
-19:05:20- (@Hoof) say I have Wither 350
-19:05:29- (@Hoof) it picks Wither 175 to steal
-19:05:34- (@Hoof) should it just remove it then
-19:05:39- (@Hoof) from the opponent
-19:05:41- (@Hoof) and not take it
-19:05:44- (jonahtebaaHOME) why not?
-19:05:44- (RD) it shgould remove your pot, yes
-19:05:54- (RD) and you are replaced with a lvl 175 buff instead
-19:05:55- (UrcK) why ?
-19:05:56- (@Hoof) RD: but i have a higher version
-19:05:59- (zzephyr) roll to a different buff? reroll RNG?
-19:06:00- (@Hoof) already active
-19:06:04- (RD) no, you did have one, lol
-19:06:10- (@Hoof) no no no
-19:06:11- (@Hoof) I mean
-19:06:13- (@Hoof) ok
-19:06:15- (zizzwyly) well lets say i have wither 350 distilled to 403 should it take the 175 ?
-19:06:16- (@Savanc) I think it should remove your pot UNLESS your pot is one of those fancy expensive epic pots
-19:06:18- (@Hoof) I have Wither 350
-19:06:23- (Blixen) just remove it imo. Same as when you try to cast a lower level spell than is active
-19:06:23- (@Hoof) and Spell Leech 50,000
-19:06:26- (@Hoof) (the pro version)
-19:06:30- (@Hoof) that always activates
-19:06:40- (@Hoof) enemy has only Wither 175
-19:06:42- (jonahtebaaHOME) LMAO
-19:06:46- (@Hoof) so that is the buff that gets leeched
-19:06:47- (@Wolf) nubcake /nick
-19:06:52- (@Hoof) should it replaced my 350
-19:06:55- (@Hoof) oir just discard it
-19:06:55- (shindrak) so its spel breaker now?
-19:06:57- (UrcK) or instead of removing it if you have a higher buff active just have it pick another buff
-19:06:57- (@Hoof) from the opponent
-19:06:59- (@Zorg) All my skills are above 9000
-19:07:13- (RD) the hooftest version ;) and i see what you are saying, but spell leech is very powerful, and if it has no consiquence it will be used more, right now that is one of the few thinking buffs we have,
-19:07:16- (jonahtebaaHOME) not pick another buff
-19:07:18- (jonahtebaaHOME) lol
-19:07:18- (@LamiumFSDev) Zorg: /lesigh
-19:07:19- (theotter) i like urcks thing, that it wont leech a spell you already have.
-19:07:30- (jonahtebaaHOME) that makes it too powerful
-19:07:36- (@Hoof) ok
-19:07:37- (Spider0007) It all depends on if you want the buff to carry any risk in using it or not. A very subjective question.
-19:07:38- (Denyza) LoL You like Urk’s what? XD
-19:07:44- (theotter) *cough*
-19:07:44- (weapon4war) i have a reckoning question. i noticed in GvGs, whenver reckoning activates on sealed it would never seal the target. shouldn’t any buff activate if reckong does?
-19:07:45- (@Zorg) what if you have all the spells your opponent has :/
-19:07:45- (@Hoof) so you are happy with the way it currently works?
-19:07:46- (jonahtebaaHOME) then you wanna take out a certain buff, so you get all the others he has and hten hit him
-19:07:46- (UrcK) lol
-19:07:47- (zzephyr) oh just discard IMO… if a current skill is higher lvl i think it should be kept
-19:07:50- (majar) :@)
-19:07:57- (RD) if i can just spell leech and SB who ever i want with no consiquence or no risk to myself or my pots buffs, i will use it more.
-19:08:08- (Scathian) have it try and choose another buff, if none are available then the time on your buff is ccut by 75%
-19:08:09- (shindrak) +1 for jonah that will make it powerful
-19:08:15- (RD) and that is not reallya good thing
-19:08:15- (UrcK) look at what you would sink to get his one buff…
-19:08:17- (Maehdros) sl should take the buff
-19:08:20- (Maehdros) make it have risk
-19:08:21- (@Zorg) if it doesn’t leach a spell you already have, i could custom pick my buffs to steal a specific buff from my opponent :/
-19:08:26- (@Hoof) thats what it does at the moment no?
-19:08:26- (Maehdros) or its just the same as SN with a different name
-19:08:29- (Maehdros) sb*
-19:08:33- (@Zorg) i.e A really expensive one
-19:08:41- (shindrak) its should steal random buff and replace it … thats it
-19:08:49- (Maehdros) i remember spell leech working offensively and defensivley once upon a time
-19:08:50- (jonahtebaaHOME) then leave it as is
-19:08:51- (@Hoof) like it does at the moment?
-19:08:53- (Maehdros) THAT was nasty and fun
-19:09:03- (RD) yes hoof, is how it works now, and think the risk involved makes it a balanced
-19:09:09- (jonahtebaaHOME) ok. now BB and Ladder plz
-19:09:10- (@Savanc) I agree
-19:09:11- (shindrak) yea leave it as it is just protect gifts and epic pots from it
-19:09:11- (@Hoof) Space Raiders hooooo!
-19:09:12- (UrcK) look at how much you would sink in gold pots and stam to accomplish that Zorg
-19:09:16- (Hallowed1) Leech hmmm to loose or not to loose … leech the larger of existing buff not smaller.. like a little leech on a bigger leech dosen’t work… Perhaps it may make your 175 larger in fact and there’s smaller… perhpas..
-19:09:24- (@Savanc) There might be an exeption for epic pots, but that’s it
-19:09:29- (@Savanc) *exception
-19:09:52- (jonahtebaaHOME) just like with SB
-19:09:59- (jonahtebaaHOME) the exeption should be there
-19:10:04- (@Hoof) mmm
-19:10:10- (@Hoof) salt and vinegar french fries
-19:10:13- (@Hoof) thanks Lamium!
-19:10:13- (@Hoof) :D
-19:10:17- (Spider0007) Risk or no risk hoof. You decide.
-19:10:23- (RD) i like the risk
-19:10:24- (shindrak) i think balanced attack and defense buffs need some change ;)
-19:10:25- (@Zorg) mmm tasty, goes well with energy drinks
-19:10:26- (Maehdros) KFC < ---
-19:10:28- (Maehdros) ;)
-19:10:30- (jonahtebaaHOME) i dont mind the risk
-19:10:35- (UrcK) you bring enuf to share hoof?
-19:10:35- (@Savanc) Risk
-19:10:37- (Hallowed1) White Bread
-19:10:41- (Maehdros) SL is fine imo
-19:10:42- (@Savanc) It's a fun game as well :)
-19:10:42- (RD) mnn KFC chicken grown on labs on sticks, yummy...
-19:10:47- (Maehdros) wanna rip more buffs? risk
-19:10:48- (Chazz) No it should not replace a level 350 pot
-19:10:53- (majar) :@
-19:10:54- (UrcK) brown bread
-19:10:54- (@Hoof) UrcK: they dion't taste good digitally processed
-19:10:57- (Maehdros) then dont use it chazz
-19:11:00- (Maehdros) :P
-19:11:08- (Spider0007) lol, yeah chazz :P
-19:11:10- (@Hoof) Ok...
-19:11:12- (shindrak) simply lol
-19:11:12- (boeffie) move aheas, leave leech as is
-19:11:15- (@Hoof) so leave Spell Leech as it is?
-19:11:17- (RD) +1
-19:11:19- (RD) yes
-19:11:20- (Denyza) Yes
-19:11:21- (Scathian) yes
-19:11:21- (boeffie) yeah
-19:11:21- (jonahtebaaHOME) yes
-19:11:23- (weapon4war) yes
-19:11:24- (Spider0007) yes
-19:11:26- (@LamiumFSDev) Y u steels mai foods???#
-19:11:26- (Hallowed1) Mine as well
-19:11:26- (jonahtebaaHOME) yes
-19:11:27- (shindrak) no
-19:11:30- (@Savanc) yes
-19:11:32- (jonahtebaaHOME) (i got two votes)
-19:11:34- (@Zorg) yes
-19:11:34- (jonahtebaaHOME) :)
-19:11:36- (UrcK) i guess .. i just wont use it ..hehe
-19:11:38- (ernzor) yes, leave
-19:11:46- (Hallowed1) This could go for day’s
-19:11:46- (@Hoof) Lamium: you left your food drawer unlocked :D
-19:11:48- (ilau) keep it like it is
-19:11:50- (Blixen) sure. I dont consider it a big deal. As long as the description of the spell is precise
-19:12:00- (Maehdros) can you ensure it doesnt leech epic pots?
-19:12:03- (theotter) sorry, so can you leech epic pots?
-19:12:05- (theotter) yea.
-19:12:05- (Hallowed1) plz
-19:12:05- (Maehdros) ie: donation or loyalty
-19:12:08- (UrcK) it doesnt alread mae
-19:12:14- (@Hoof) Mae: we have a special tick box
-19:12:14- (Maehdros) it did on me before
-19:12:15- (Maehdros) ;)
-19:12:16- (@Hoof) for that in our tools
-19:12:18- (theotter) ok, so they did change that?
-19:12:18- (boeffie) think they’re protected already?
-19:12:21- (RD) still use it urck, just when is needed, but take the risk that goes with it, will my 1575 EW get replaced by a level 145 when 23 level 1Ks stomp a level 300…
-19:12:30- (@Hoof) we added that a while ago :)
-19:12:33- (Maehdros) oki
-19:12:33- (theotter) they are protected from SB
-19:12:40- (Maehdros) just makin sure :P
-19:12:40- (jonahtebaaHOME) good then
-19:12:42- (theotter) also from SL?
-19:12:43- (@Hoof) :)
-19:12:45- (@Hoof) think so ya
-19:12:47- (UrcK) RD..LOL
-19:12:57- (@Hoof) I’ve got a taste for Lamiums good now :D
-19:13:00- (@Hoof) good = food
-19:13:05- (Maehdros) can we chat about ladder bounties and the board? :s lol or do i zip it
-19:13:09- (Salazar21) I stilll dont understand the new changes that will be made to unbreakable. Can that be explained to me?
-19:13:10- (@Hoof) nah its cool
-19:13:12- (Maehdros) before you get distracted by food
-19:13:12- (@Karznah) Hoofykins, mind getting me some food?
-19:13:17- (Spider0007) I want to do complete some bounties
-19:13:22- (@Hoof) lets do the Bounty Board now
-19:13:23- (Hallowed1) BB time
-19:13:25- (@Hoof) sure
-19:13:27- (@Hoof) go for it
-19:13:27- (weapon4war) why are you tasting lamiums goods? >_< -19:13:28- (@Mojawk) ok
-19:13:36- (@Savanc) About Spell Leech. Can it replace an epic pot? As in if I use AL500 and I leech an AL 175. Will it replace the AL500 pot then?
-19:13:42- (Maehdros) no
-19:13:50- (Maehdros) if it does, yell at hoof
-19:13:51- (@LamiumFSDev) I left my food drawer in the office unlocked
-19:13:51- (Maehdros) :P
-19:14:05- (majar) :-P
-19:14:06- (jonahtebaaHOME) BB is good as it is now
-19:14:10- (Vastilos) unbreakable should never have protected crystalline gear from damage. period.
-19:14:18- (Chazz) some say differently Jon
-19:14:30- (jonahtebaaHOME) that will always be the case
-19:14:30- (@Savanc) Hoof said that the 500 pot can't be leeched, but not that it can't be replaced when leeching someone else's lower buff :s
-19:14:34- (RD) i think the only pots that should be protected, epic or otherwise should be the defender, if you are using AL 500 and using spell leech you are a bonehead and it should be up for grabs,
-19:14:34- (Chazz) yes that was mentioned and has already been put in the game
-19:14:35- (UrcK) bounty for every hit on the BB FTW!
-19:14:35- (jonahtebaaHOME) but what do u not like about the BB now?
-19:14:37- (shindrak) BB is fine yes ! but if we will have new 100 stams medal then change he BB
-19:14:37- (matetuer) yes, no change to the BB, it is OK as it is now
-19:14:57- (Maehdros) eliminate free hits from the board OR, make free hits bountyable
-19:15:03- (Maehdros) thing is, how much to lose on a bounty
-19:15:07- (Vastilos) nod maeh
-19:15:07- (Maehdros) >.< -19:15:13- (zizzwyly) bb is ok if even if new medal is added
-19:15:16- (Blixen) imo regular 10 stam bounties should take more exp. Either that or 10 stams shouldnt be allowed. It should be minimum 25 stam pr. hit
-19:15:19- (jonahtebaaHOME) Coming from Mae... ur noble
-19:15:24- (Vastilos) make exp loss determinal to stam useage
-19:15:25- (Maehdros) never, never eliminate counter bounties
-19:15:37- (zizzwyly) people who want to be protected from bounties shouldnt hit simple
-19:15:47- (@Hoof) ok
-19:15:50- (UrcK) 10 stam BB hit already take 2x xp than a normal pvp hit .. they dont need to take more
-19:15:54- (@Hoof) the every hit can be bountied should go in
-19:15:57- (@Hoof) BUT
-19:16:00- (Vastilos) remove dbl exp loss on the bb, make it so you cant get free hits on the poster
-19:16:06- (Maehdros) make ladder OR off the ladder hit bountyable ( waits for flames) its pvp. simple. opt in. you risk losing xp or being psoted
-19:16:09- (Denyza) but....
-19:16:11- (@Hoof) i think we reduce the max xp that can be taken per bounty
-19:16:17- (Vastilos) exactly maeh
-19:16:18- (Mr_Doom) Hoof just stick with your original idea, every hit bountiable, BH only able to be placed once and reduce the maximum xp that can be lost on a single bounty down to 2-3 levels..
-19:16:21- (Maehdros) double xp is fine
-19:16:25- (RD) i am not sure what the right answer for the BB is for stam lost, but i think there should be some sort of break given to gregaining levels, ie it costs about 25K stam or 1K fsp for me to relevel from a 5 level drop..
-19:16:26- (@Hoof) MrDoom: yeah
-19:16:27- (Chazz) PVP means risk... On the ladder or not
-19:16:27- (Denyza) why is that hoofy?
-19:16:29- (Scathian) ladder hits should be bountieable
-19:16:32- (@Hoof) MrDoom: I personally really like that
-19:16:36- (Anythingel) Leave the bounty board as it is
-19:16:37- (@Hoof) Scat: no
-19:16:39- (majar) 16:14] bounty for every hit on the BB FTW! I agree!
-19:16:42- (@Hoof) lol
-19:16:42- (weapon4war) ladder hits should be bountiable
-19:16:43- (Chazz) Every attack should not be another ticket I disagree
-19:16:43- (Maehdros) its easy to gain levels now with all the mega buffs in game
-19:16:44- (@Hoof) bad abbreviation
-19:16:45- (@Hoof) :D
-19:16:47- (jonahtebaaHOME) wow
-19:16:48- (shindrak) the new 100 stams medal will increase hourly hits and mroe players quit. so there should be more risk for hitting same player more than one time
-19:16:51- (jonahtebaaHOME) guys…. slow down…
-19:16:57- (zizzwyly) you do dooms idea you reard cowards
-19:17:05- (Vastilos) plus exp gain helps too
-19:17:07- (Maehdros) Link the 100 stam medal to only count when prestige is gained
-19:17:08- (Maehdros) 3 days
-19:17:09- (Maehdros) ;)
-19:17:13- (@Hoof) let me summarize
-19:17:14- (@Hoof) one sec
-19:18:28- (@Hoof) Every ‘normal’ PvP attack can be bountied. Players doing a bounty can only be bountied once when they accept it. Reduce it to a max of 2 levels for a bounty.
-19:18:47- (Maehdros) ladder hits bountyable?
-19:18:49- (Mr_Doom) Thats just about perfect Hoof.
-19:18:54- (Maehdros) its still pvp
-19:18:55- (@Hoof) Mae: no
-19:18:59- (Maehdros) =/
-19:19:00- (@Hoof) Mae: i think if you opt-in
-19:19:00- (&Zukira) I like that hoof
-19:19:02- (Chazz) No
-19:19:02- (@Hoof) you opt in
-19:19:06- (Blixen) so you can only loose 2 levels pr. bounty?
-19:19:11- (Maehdros) if you opt in you accept the risk of a bounty
-19:19:12- (@Hoof) Blix: yes
-19:19:14- (zizzwyly) then you allow people top profit without risk
-19:19:14- (shindrak) ladders hit wont count for medal?
-19:19:19- (Chazz) No why should every attack off the bb come at a price to PvP …
-19:19:20- (matetuer) why changing something that is OK as it is???
-19:19:20- (UrcK) that sounds fair .. but i will say outloud that 100 stam medal will drive players away from DS
-19:19:22- (&Zukira) You might get someone like me clearing bounties like that
-19:19:25- (@Hoof) shin: correct
-19:19:28- (Blixen) hehe, I like that. I doubt the bigger guilds will though:-p
-19:19:28- (UrcK) FS
-19:19:32- (RD) i disagree about the ladder hits being bountyable. someone can be a complete dink on the ladder and the players are left with no way to police that
-19:19:34- (theotter) ladder hits should be bountyable tbh
-19:19:36- (weapon4war) i agree opting in equals part of the package
-19:19:41- (Maehdros) agreed rd
-19:19:41- (Hallowed1) 75-100 stam hit on the bb or ladder bountayble… below that NO
-19:19:44- (weapon4war) bounty up
-19:19:47- (&Zukira) and I’m so anti-pvp for this game that that says something
-19:19:59- (Maehdros) players passing wins, talking smack, manipulating ladders, have to be able to be handled by the players
-19:19:59- (sportzman0) is being bountied while on the ladder going to lower ranking
-19:20:00- (iut044) to low make it 4 levels per bounty
-19:20:00- (@Hoof) Why should PvP Ladder be bountyable?
-19:20:01- (Spider0007) once again, that’s a HUGE game changer…..I’m just not sure how I feel. Trying to take it all in.
-19:20:07- (@Hoof) You can still choose to do a normal pvp hit
-19:20:09- (@Hoof) if your on the ladder
-19:20:09- (shindrak) then its fine … do what u feel good for game hood :)
-19:20:16- (shindrak) hoof*
-19:20:19- (Maehdros) every hit should be bountyable its the risk of pvp
-19:20:25- (Maehdros) always has been
-19:20:26- (sportzman0) Ladder should not be bountyable due to the ranking and points earned in pvp
-19:20:26- (@Hoof) Mae: I disagree :(
-19:20:37- (@Zorg) I don’t think bountys should interfear with the pvp ladder
-19:20:38- (zizzwyly) why because the way you are taking it removes all risk and allows profit for not risk
-19:20:43- (theotter) so dont, then
-19:20:45- (weapon4war) exactly it is a way of policing the ladder as well exchanging points. them hiring mercenaries
-19:20:47- (@Hoof) zizz: no it doesn’t
-19:20:49- (&Zukira) Hoof. with the Ladder and the limits – what if there was a gold sink added that allowed someone to ‘buy’ an extra hit?
-19:20:54- (@Zorg) You opt in for the ladder, you are opted in… you don’t get to bounty people who attack you for being in the ladder
-19:20:56- (@Hoof) zizz: you can still hit back as a pvp ladder hit
-19:20:57- (sportzman0) pvp ladder and BB should be seperate due to pvp ratings.
-19:20:58- (zizzwyly) yes it does
-19:21:00- (theotter) bountys are seperate from the pvp ladder, you dont get rating taken from a bb hit
-19:21:01- (shindrak) so ladder will liek arena but with xp loss :)
-19:21:02- (Chazz) + Mae ladder hits should be bountiable
-19:21:03- (weapon4war) if they go about playing dirty, you need to be able to defend yourself
-19:21:04- (Maehdros) i wouldnt bounty people for hitting me
-19:21:06- (RD) you can chose to do a normal pvp hit, but the player that deserves some extra attention does not have to non ladder hit back, leaving him immune to hits, plus with the +/- 10 rule on non ladderr hits, eliminates any other risk as well
-19:21:10- (@Hoof) zizz: there is still gold / xp loss on the ladder
-19:21:16- (theotter) but the ladder people SHOULD be able to bounty a hit
-19:21:16- (@Hoof) I don’t see how the BB is relevant to it?
-19:21:17- (Chazz) however off the board hits should not get additional tickets for each hit
-19:21:21- (Maehdros) I would bounty them for trading score, manipulating, talking ****
-19:21:21- (Blixen) Mahdros- how do you suggest we handle you under the current system when you “talk smack”?
-19:21:27- (zizzwyly) one guild with 5 player in same bracket can sm,ash you o blivious what can you do ?
-19:21:28- (@Hoof) Bounty hits have nothing to do with the ladde
-19:21:33- (Maehdros) I dont talk anything lol
-19:21:35- (Mr_Doom) I think I can see why the bounties don’t apply, it’s linked to the 500 stam per player minimum, so instead of who can be online the most hitting the same players, in the future you’d have to beat everyone in your bracket and there would be no opportunity for people to bully people off of the ladder. would be more about setup vs setup instead of online time.
-19:21:36- (Maehdros) ask anyone
-19:21:36- (jonahtebaaHOME) ladder hits should be bountiable
-19:21:37- (Maehdros) ;)
-19:21:44- (Blixen) or is it only when the rest of us does?
-19:21:44- (@Hoof) ok let me explain something :)
-19:21:45- (weapon4war) are you trying to make the ladder like the arena? or is it still like PvP
-19:21:49- (@Hoof) ok
-19:21:52- (@Hoof) here is an example why :)
-19:22:04- (@Hoof) Both me and Zorg are on the PvP Ladder
-19:22:08- (@Zorg) :(
-19:22:12- (@Zorg) But I didn’t opt in
-19:22:18- (@Hoof) You did opt-in
-19:22:23- (@Hoof) I clicked it on your comp.
-19:22:25- (@Hoof) but anyway
-19:22:27- (@Zorg) :(
-19:22:37- (@Hoof) I hit Zorg for 100 stam as a PvP Ladder hit
-19:22:41- (@Hoof) ok so…
-19:22:45- (@Hoof) that takes from the 500 stam max
< @Hoof> lets now say that hit COULD be bountiable
< @Hoof> it causes issues
< @Hoof> 1) Would I be able to accept it?
< @Hoof> Um
< @Hoof> can that
< @Hoof> ok
< @Hoof> sec.
< @Hoof> so Zorg can bounty me
< @Hoof> another player on the PvP Ladder could then accept that
< @Hoof> in the same band for example
< @Hoof> BUT
< @Hoof> if that was the case
< @Hoof> You need to CHOOSE the type of attack
< @Hoof> so they would have to select between (NORMAL ATTACK, BOUNTY ATTACK, PVP LADDER ATTACK)
< @Hoof> assuming it worked like that, theoretically it may work as a bounty
< @Hoof> i just don’t think it has a place on the PvP Ladder
-19:25:14- (@Hoof) as someone with a large guild / following
-19:25:20- (@Hoof) would be able to dominate the ladder
-19:25:28- (@Hoof) even if you are on the ladder
-19:25:36- (@Hoof) you can still CHOOSE to do a NORMAL pvp attack
-19:25:42- (@Hoof) it will still give you the choice
-19:25:46- (@Hoof) and after the 500 stam
-19:25:55- (@Hoof) you will then also be able to continue attacking them
-19:25:59- (@Hoof) in normal pvp
-19:26:04- (@Hoof) which will of course be bountiablke
-19:26:10- (@Hoof) ok hope that makes sense
-19:26:14- (jonahtebaaHOME) i dont see the 500 max stam for ladder as any good. it will kill the ladder.
-19:26:16- (sportzman0) If on the ladder, then BB will drop pvp rating which is why the ladder and BB are seperate. If Ladder is bountyable then the level on bounties need to be the same as the ladder levels. Not fair using a lvl 1400 to get someone off the ladder
-19:26:17- (zizzwyly) unlimited pvp ladder attacks
-19:26:20- (matetuer) even if i.e. 50 levels difference?
-19:26:23- (Vastilos) all pvp attacks should be bountyable :p
-19:26:24- (Denyza) Oh I see, you made perfect snse there hoof. A bounty hunter which opted in to ladder could bypass the 500 stam restriction via bounty board.
-19:26:24- (sportzman0) it will destroy the ladder
-19:26:26- (Chazz) well … PvP comes with Risk, on the ladder or off the ladder. I don’t feel this should change. As to being able to bounty somone who hit 5x with 5 different bounties this will destroy pvp in the game.
-19:26:28- (Blixen) how about a bounty system based on hits instead of “exp loss”? So you can only loose exp from a fixed number of hits? That way it would pay off to defend each hit from a bounty. As it is now- when you loose 5- you loose 5. There really is no reason to defend yourself. With that system each hit becomes importent
-19:26:29- (jonahtebaaHOME) why limit ladder attacks
-19:26:30- (@Hoof) BB will have no effect on PvP Points
-19:26:31- (shindrak) i agree with everything u said hoof !
-19:26:34- (Maehdros) so, if i hit someone, for the ladder 100 stam for 4 points, can they post me?
-19:26:35- (jonahtebaaHOME) players have the opt in choice
-19:26:40- (Maehdros) thats all im wondering
-19:26:42- (weapon4war) the PvP community has used the bounty board to police abusers. Make all Bounty board attacks not effect the ladder. but let hits on the ladder be bountiable
-19:26:43- (jonahtebaaHOME) why join if not willing to lose levels
-19:26:47- (RD) it does make sense, but as said the players would have no way to put a hurting on those on the ladder who need it, and there are plenty, easy solution bounty hits take no pvp
-19:26:50- (theotter) exactly hoof, make the stam used on the BB not affect the stam cap on the board, or rating transfer.
-19:26:50- (Triana) GvG conflicts also currently intefere with PvP Ladder attacks.
-19:26:54- (sportzman0) thats good with the choices on Attacks
-19:26:55- (weapon4war) normal PvP
-19:26:58- (@Hoof) Triana: It won’t when we update
-19:27:02- (Triana) ok, thanks
-19:27:05- (boeffie) i like the 500 max, and defending successfully the attacker can’t gain it back farming you overnight
-19:27:07- (@Hoof) Triana: As you will have to select the TYPE of attack
-19:27:12- (@Hoof) it will make it much clearer :)
-19:27:16- (Chazz) Hoof…
-19:27:19- (Hallowed1) Ok ok the ladder you can’t do bounties until you opt out, nor can you bounty the ladder participants. would that work?
-19:27:25- (majar) Question. All pvp attacks bountyable. Does this mean that the 1st does not have to be clear to bounty a 2nd attack? thnx
-19:27:27- (Vastilos) ok, so what if eveyrone in the ladder finishes with the same score?
-19:27:32- (Triana) right, I didn’t see that in your choice examples a min ago though, but ok, I will wait to see it later in the game
-19:27:33- (SKevin) @zorg I think there should be anther buff for greater Gold, like overkill, but, it would be for Gold
*note SKevin proceeds to spam the room with the above line until the server kicks him for flooding*
-19:27:38- (Chazz) That is horrible…
-19:27:39- (Maehdros) oO
-19:27:43- (UrcK) kick
-19:27:46- (shindrak) ??:S
-19:27:47- º¹¹º Kick» (SKevin) was kicked by (malphas.fallenswordirc.com) (Channel flood triggered (limit is 10 lines in 10 secs))
-19:27:47- (weapon4war) whoa
-19:27:48- (Triana) ban :)
-19:27:53- (boeffie) someone kick him??
-19:27:53- (Chazz) woa is right
-19:27:54- (@Hoof) Hallowed: doing bounties won’t affect your PvP Points
-19:27:56- (jonahtebaaHOME) the 500 max will make a dedicated player and a 5-minutes-per-day player the same
-19:27:57- (Chazz) wow
-19:27:57- (MagisNexus) Thank you. ^_^
-19:27:59- (@Hoof) so its not relevant
-19:28:10- (Maehdros) can I post someone for a ladder hit if they are manipulating score?
-19:28:10- (RD) also, if you are opted in and hoof lets say is level 1310, hits me only off line, says nasty things to me and is a jerk, i am level 1360 i can no longer dertimine the fate of you, unless a, if you are opted in, you are open to hits outside your +/- 10. and even then it is not a deterrent
-19:28:15- (zizzwyly) you do this update as planned you kill tthe games ab ility to police itself
-19:28:16- (Chazz) hoof… Pvp ladder or not should come with risk
-19:28:20- (boeffie) not true jon, will just stop the farming
-19:28:23- (Chazz) why remove it … what’s the point
-19:28:31- (Maehdros) farming?
-19:28:35- (JohnnyMo) why can you bounty ppl on the ladder if you yourself is there?
-19:28:37- (@Hoof) zizz: explain why please?
-19:28:38- (Chazz) than making each hit an additional ticket that’s crazy
-19:28:38- (weapon4war) i agree with Mae. you are taking away our ability to defend abusers
-19:28:41- (Maehdros) opting in, is opening ones self up to being hit
-19:28:42- (Maehdros) simple
-19:28:50- (Maehdros) ( imo)
-19:28:57- (Vastilos) because they can bounty you too johnny
-19:28:57- (RD) +1 to weapon
-19:29:01- (JohnnyMo) being hit yes but why bounty?
-19:29:01- (jonahtebaaHOME) the ladder is all about how long you can stay awake, buffed well with good gear, and win your attacks
-19:29:05- (@Hoof) Bounty Attack != PvP Ladder attack
-19:29:12- (Maehdros) >.< -19:29:13- (Spider0007) I don't understand why there would be a limit to the number of attacks on the pvp ladder.
-19:29:15- (UrcK) ban
*(SKevin begins spamming again after being allowed to return)*
-19:29:23- (JohnnyMo) bounty on ladder is just not what it is set up for
-19:29:24- (theotter) then make bounty attack /= pvp ladder attack
-19:29:25- (&Zukira) flood again and you are gone
-19:29:26- (@Mojawk) Sk kevin
-19:29:27- (Chazz) I like the current system
-19:29:28- (@Hoof) Spider: to reduce farming
-19:29:31- ¹¹ºº Mode» (Zukira) sets (+b )
-19:29:31- º¹¹º This ban affects: (SKevin)
-19:29:31- ¹º¹¹ Kick» (SKevin) was kicked by (Zukira) (Waste your time wherever you want, but not here (5))
-19:29:32- (majar) LoL
-19:29:33- (Chazz) oh god... come one
-19:29:34- (Maehdros) still wondering if ladder hits can be bountied
-19:29:35- (weapon4war) ban kevin please
-19:29:35- (Chazz) on
-19:29:39- (Maehdros) fs ban!
-19:29:39- (jonahtebaaHOME) GUYS! If you are limited to 500 stam, then you will only hit offline players with no buffs while offline. This is farming!
-19:29:43- (Chazz) yeah that's not fair
-19:29:50- (@Zorg) I have stalkers... :D
-19:29:55- (@Hoof) 500 stamina PER TARGET
-19:29:58- ººº¹ Topic» (Mojawk) changes topic to (skevin not smart)
-19:29:58- (RD) yes jona, and those people should be open to bounty attacks
-19:30:01- (@Hoof) so you can't keep farming the same person
-19:30:02- (Maehdros) ladder works fine as is, just add new rewards, fix the BB
-19:30:03- (UrcK) he may not be SKevin in game .. altho most likly is ..lol
-19:30:06- (&Zukira) sorry about that folks
-19:30:06- (shindrak) its farming on all ways jonah :P
-19:30:07- (@Hoof) that is always offline :)
-19:30:11- (weapon4war) yeah it will be blow 500 stam on offline players in 10 minutes
-19:30:11- (@Hoof) thanks Zukira :D
-19:30:13- ¹¹ºº Mode» (Savanc) sets (+b)
-19:30:14- (Hallowed1) How about 1000
-19:30:15- (&Zukira) anytime
-19:30:15- (Vastilos) nod maeh
-19:30:16- (theotter) thanks for taking care of it ;)
-19:30:24- (Denyza) If bounty board does not affect rating, wouldn't it solve the problem hoof?
-19:30:24- (zizzwyly) pvp is about risk this update removes it
-19:30:30- (Chazz) I agree the ladder is fine how it is now
-19:30:33- (weapon4war) i agree ladder is just fine now
-19:30:34- (@Hoof) zizz: thats cool - but please explain why ? :D
-19:30:34- (jonahtebaaHOME) then make it that rating can only be gained from online players
-19:30:35- (boeffie) least it is maximised farming, once you are done there's nothing you can gain from it
-19:30:36- (theotter) +1 to denyza
-19:30:40- (UrcK) mute
-19:30:41- (&Zukira) thats why we have the flood protection
-19:30:46- (JohnnyMo) the ladder participants should not be able to bounty each other... it's just dumb
-19:30:49- (RD) now, if rating transfer was reduced depending on last online time that would help, as well as a decay system to prevent abuse
-19:30:56- (whammies) really thinking about it. everything should be able to be bountied. xp loss should be comparable to what you can make in 100 stam.
-19:30:56- (Maehdros) agreed RD
-19:31:00- (Hallowed1) +1 Johny
-19:31:00- (Maehdros) that would work wonders
-19:31:07- (&Zukira) I'll excise those shinanigans from the posted log just leaving a note instead.
-19:31:09- (Spider0007) WHY limit the number of attacks on pvp ladder?
-19:31:11- (Spider0007) Why?
-19:31:11- (@Hoof) Remember we are NOT removing XP / Gold from the ladder
-19:31:15- (@Hoof) hence there is risk
-19:31:16- (Chazz) I agree RD
-19:31:17- (JohnnyMo) it's a contest not a revenge thing
-19:31:18- (RD) it would solve the ladder as is and no changes would need to be made
-19:31:19- (@Hoof) as you will get attack
-19:31:21- (@Hoof) and cannot bounty
-19:31:22- (@Hoof) for it
-19:31:26- (whammies) nm this chat moves to fast
-19:31:27- (zizzwyly) no there is none
-19:31:28- (shindrak) pvp ladder will be excluded from pvp... isnt pvp all about gold hits?
-19:31:29- (Vastilos) well, i had a suggestion about not being able to attack people who are logged out for more than an hour, unless they are on the BB or opted in to the aldder
-19:31:30- (Hallowed1) Thank you
-19:31:31- (sportzman0) why shouldnt they? it will not affect their rating what so ever so the BB is not helping on ladder.
-19:31:31- (whammies) not worth explaining
-19:31:35- (weapon4war) not being able to bounty a ladder abuser who hits you or hires mercs is not good either
-19:31:36- (jonahtebaaHOME) Jmo, some people use it for revenge only
-19:31:40- (jonahtebaaHOME) to dominate a band
-19:31:41- (Vastilos) ladder*
-19:31:43- (weapon4war) we need tools to defend ourselves
-19:31:50- (Maehdros) agreed
-19:31:56- (beastslayr) are we only discussing PVP right now??? or can we discuss GVG ??
-19:31:59- (jonahtebaaHOME) i am 100% against limits on the number of attacks on the ladder.
-19:32:06- (JohnnyMo) that is why bounty should not be allowed in ladder
-19:32:08- (shindrak) defend from what ?
-19:32:10- (theotter) pvp ladder only i think beast.
-19:32:11- (RD) so now , lets say mae and i get teaed at each other, i can 100 stam him 5 times per ladder take gold and xp, and not get bountied ?
-19:32:12- (Mr_Doom) There is of course another side to the arguement. with the ability to bounty players removed from the bounty board. Players wouldn't be able to pick and choose who the think should be on the ladder, it would be a much more open environment for testing skills against each other, it may even entice people who would like to try and beat people setups, but not really fancy taking on the people
-19:32:12- (Mr_Doom) going for the 'reular' pvp 100 stam medal..
-19:32:13- (shindrak) use normal attack lol
-19:32:18- (&Zukira) mentioned this before, but with the hit limit for the ladder maybe a gold sink to add more allowable hits?
-19:32:20- (JohnnyMo) hit each other be the best... don't involve others
-19:32:21- (zizzwyly) if i have 5 players from one guild hitting me hourly how am i supposed to redress this ?
-19:32:23- (weapon4war) i don't see what is wrong with the ladder other than new items for tokens
-19:32:25- (Maehdros) someone in your ladder doesnt like you, hits you, wins.. finds a bounty on you, and has people smash. now...wouldnt you want to drop them? ( you cant since ladder hits are un bountyable)
-19:32:28- (sportzman0) BB as well will make one weaker if offline and low durabily. which will give a better advantage to ladder
-19:32:30- (Scathian) question, could i make a normal pvp hit and a ladder hit on someone in the same hour? (assuming we were both opted into the ladder)
-19:32:40- (weapon4war) where have been ladder complaints except for rewards? not many
-19:32:49- (Maehdros) @ rd yeah mate
-19:32:50- (Vastilos) if someoene opts into the ladder expecting free tokens, but complains about being constantly attacked while they are offline, they shouldn't be in the ladder
-19:32:55- (JohnnyMo) if no one was able to bounty on the ladder it wouldn't matter
-19:32:56- (jonahtebaaHOME) @weapon +1
-19:33:01- (Maehdros) um
-19:33:04- (RD) ladder hits need to be bountyable, too many of us are way too creative to expose it
-19:33:05- (jonahtebaaHOME) ladder is ok. just add new sets and pots
-19:33:06- (Maehdros) theres other ways of being bountied
-19:33:13- (@Hoof) No one has explained why they want bounties on the ladder? (DON'T JUST SAY RISK! :P )
-19:33:14- (Chazz) Ladder is fine now there is no need for a change.
-19:33:17- (jonahtebaaHOME) do not change the ladder
-19:33:19- (shindrak) Simply use normal attack if u hate someone on ladder
-19:33:20- (JohnnyMo) yes but that is a choice
-19:33:24- (Chazz) it is risk free
-19:33:27- (weapon4war) if i can't bounty ladder hits, there will be ever more abuse/
-19:33:28- (jonahtebaaHOME) we should also gain rating from defending attacks
-19:33:30- (JohnnyMo) opt out... opt in your choice
-19:33:34- (weapon4war) now no consequences
-19:33:36- (Vastilos) because it's PvP Hoof
-19:33:36- (Maehdros) its seriosuly the only issue i have lol, add more damage to the board fine.. but leave the ladder as is ( possible tweak to rating gained via online time)
-19:33:36- (zizzwyly) hoof try reading back
-19:33:46- (jonahtebaaHOME) lol zizz
-19:33:46- (JohnnyMo) it's a contest NOT a revenge
-19:33:47- (RD) chazz i think there needs to be a change to the way rating is transfered, no way someone whould hit me for 50 transfer while sleeping and offline for 6 hours,.
-19:33:50- (jonahtebaaHOME) u think he could?
-19:33:52- (Spider0007) I don't want bounties on the ladder. and I'm wondering WHY is there a limit on the number of hits?
-19:33:55- (boeffie) definitely tweak something, ladder is not great as is
-19:33:58- (@Hoof) well
-19:33:59- (Blixen) I like the ladder as it is now. I enjoy it a lot when I opt-in. I rarely do- as it is very time consuming, but I dont see what you are trying to fix
-19:34:00- (Maehdros) it can be revenge depending on what someone does johnny
-19:34:01- (Hallowed1) Ladder gold risk and xp risk. NO bounty needed, Cap of course from farming but I believe the cap total should be adressed. plz
-19:34:01- (Chazz) I can enter a ladder exchange hits say or do or play any way i like and there is nothing anyone can do
-19:34:05- (@Hoof) if you can bounty a ladder hit
-19:34:12- (Denyza) Hoof I really think you should show them who's in charge for a bit. This is outrageous. People are just reading their own sentence.
-19:34:12- (JohnnyMo) hardly anyone plays ladder yeah it's fine lol
-19:34:15- (Mr_Doom) Hoof people are asking for ladder hit to be bountied so they can 'police' the situation.
-19:34:16- (@Hoof) It has no effect on your PvP Points (PvP Rating)
-19:34:31- (@Hoof) I don't see why you need to police the ladder?
-19:34:42- (@Hoof) your limited to max 500 stam per target
-19:34:49- (@Hoof) there is no PvP Rating transfer
-19:34:56- (@Hoof) did you read the whole suggestion? :P
-19:34:58- (@Zorg) Right, I'm off. Bye guys
-19:35:03- (Chazz) if its needed its available
-19:35:04- (@Hoof) Cya Zorg :)
-19:35:06- (jonahtebaaHOME) bye zorg
-19:35:07- (UrcK) the 500 stam does fix the abuse that typically needs policing
-19:35:09- (sportzman0) But being opt in on the ladder gives others to hit you. and then being bountied lets more? then everyone will just get slaughtered. Unless giving the lower levels of the ladder an advantage by breaking thoses armor helps the lower levels
-19:35:13- (@Savanc) Bye Zorg :)
-19:35:14- (RD) hoof will ask this, are there a lot of tickets coming in from people who are getting bountied for ladder hits?
-19:35:22- (Vastilos) honestly, if you dont want to be constantly attacked on the ladder while you are offline, don't opt in to the ladder
-19:35:24- (jonahtebaaHOME) then make the ladder a second PVP arena
-19:35:30- (weapon4war) i am fine with bounty board not tranferring ladder points
-19:35:30- (&Zukira) night Zorg feel better
-19:35:35- (@Hoof) well
-19:35:35- (@LamiumFSDev) See you tomorrow Zorg
-19:35:35- (JohnnyMo) i think the purpose of the ladder is getting missed
-19:35:38- (Maehdros) agreed with weapon
-19:35:39- (shindrak) limiting hits on ladder only thing will reduce abusing
-19:35:40- (+cyrus7) good night zorg
-19:35:41- (sportzman0) the higher levels wont have as much as an advantage over the lower levels on the ladder
-19:35:43- (@Hoof) ok
-19:35:47- (jonahtebaaHOME) Jmo, ladder is dead because the market got saturated with the old set
-19:35:47- (Maehdros) abusing?
-19:35:47- (@Hoof) lets doing a quick poll
-19:35:51- (jonahtebaaHOME) ok
-19:35:52- (@Hoof) gonna mute it a sec
-19:36:39- (@Hoof) Assuming you can't gain PvP Points (ie. PvP Rating) from a bounty from the ladder, do you think you should be allowed to place a bounty for each PvP Ladder hit?
-19:36:51- (Vastilos) yupp
-19:36:51- (Maehdros) yup
-19:36:55- (jonahtebaaHOME) yes
-19:36:55- (Blixen) no
-19:36:56- (Denyza) No
-19:36:56- (JohnnyMo) no... bounty should be out all together
-19:36:58- (shindrak) no
-19:36:58- (Hallowed1) NO
-19:37:01- (Chazz) YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-19:37:04- (cramble) no
-19:37:05- (zizzwyly) yes
-19:37:05- (UrcK) yup .. does this mean we will do it .. nope
-19:37:07- (weapon4war) YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-19:37:07- (JohnnyMo) you guys are hit happy
-19:37:08- (Scathian) yes
-19:37:10- (stimpysam) no
-19:37:12- (RD) yes, but not for each hit, ie i hit you 5 times while sleeping, i am on the line to lose my 5 levels
-19:37:13- (stormfury) no
-19:37:15- (staid) yes
-19:37:15- (Triana) no
-19:37:17- (ilau) NO!!!
-19:37:22- (matetuer) yes
-19:37:23- (JohnnyMo) hit hit hit
-19:37:24- (sportzman0) yes
-19:37:26- (MagisNexus) no, once per a certain time period.
-19:37:33- (Vastilos) if you can't bounty a PvP ladder attack, then why can you bounty a PvP attack... it's essentially the same thing, right?
-19:37:34- (weapon4war) just as it is now every hit = possible bounty
-19:37:34- (JohnnyMo) it's ladder not revenge
-19:37:38- (Scathian) just because i can place a bounty doesn't mean i will, but if needed, i want to be able to
-19:37:39- (@Karznah) You should be able to place a bounty, but only for the last hit from that person. Available bounties shouldn't stack
-19:37:39- (detlion) yes
-19:37:42- (matetuer) +1 RD
-19:37:49- (Blixen) problem is that a big group of players can keep someone from joining the ladder- simply by taking 5 levels each time they join the ladder
-19:37:53- (JohnnyMo) needed? on ladder... you are in the ladder for wrong reason
-19:37:54- (MagisNexus) +1 at Karznah.
-19:37:57- (JohnnyMo) it's a contest
-19:37:59- (Maehdros) its 2 levels hoof is changing it to
-19:38:02- (@Hoof) Sec
-19:38:07- (@Hoof) Mojawk is typing up
-19:38:09- (@Mojawk) ok i want to ask a question about this
-19:38:15- (@Mojawk) im not sure i have the right answer
-19:38:17- (@Mojawk) but anyway
-19:38:24- (@Mojawk) with the ladder change to points
-19:38:29- (@Mojawk) i.e. no rating
-19:38:38- (@Mojawk) if there are 3 other people in my band
-19:38:45- (@Mojawk) i can use 500 stamina against each
-19:38:54- (@Mojawk) gaining 1 point for every 25 stamina spend that is a win
-19:39:00- (@Mojawk) so a max of 20 points per player
-19:39:03- (@Mojawk) so per reset
-19:39:17- (@Mojawk) the ABSOLUTE max i can gain is 60 out of 60
-19:39:24- (@Mojawk) so having any sort of bounty
-19:39:29- (@Mojawk) from a player in a top guild etc
-19:39:43- (@Mojawk) is a deterrent to me to perform my 60 attacks
-19:39:57- (@Mojawk) and since defence will no longer county on the ladder
-19:40:00- (@Mojawk) why would we want this
-19:40:16- (@Mojawk) except to let popular players manipulate the ladder?
-19:40:24- (RD) will ask this, do you think i should be able to opt into ladder for oppertunistic times to hit bounty free for gold and XP and not care about ratings ?
-19:40:25- (JohnnyMo) exactly bounties need to stay out of competition
-19:40:25- (jonahtebaaHOME) 25 stam???? come on guys! this is not PVP. Maybe call it the Love Ladder. Plus, everyone will only hit their targets when they are offline.
-19:40:26- (Vastilos) question... do you loose points when someone does a successful hit against you? if no, then what do you do when everyone on the ladder ties?
-19:40:26- (zizzwyly) because people will only hit ofline players
-19:40:27- (UrcK) but if you have 43 others in your band and each use all 500 stamina .. and all win with no losses .. what keeps it from being a 4 way tie?
-19:40:31- (UrcK) er4
-19:40:38- (Spider0007) agreed. you shouldn't allow it.
-19:40:43- (Maehdros) lets say someone in my band, cant stand me. We hit one another, he finds a bounty on me.. has guild drop me 5
-19:40:46- (Spider0007) but why limit the number of attacks in the first place?
-19:40:47- (@Hoof) jon: please read the suggestion on the forum
-19:40:49- (Blixen) what happens when you have used 500 stamina and attack again? They loose exp and you dont get points? Or you cant attack at all?
-19:40:50- (Maehdros) I cant post HIM
-19:40:50- (Spider0007) why 500 stam?
-19:40:53- (@Hoof) jon: its 25/50/75/100
-19:40:54- (Scathian) if someone tried that i would post them and get my friends to take 5 from him too
-19:40:57- (Chazz) the love ladder LMAO
-19:41:00- (JohnnyMo) needed hits??? cuz you are angry over something that happens... then you are small and need not be in ladder
-19:41:02- (weapon4war) so you think this will end ladder manipulation? now you are opening the door up for abuse with NO consequences
-19:41:02- (@Hoof) Spider: also please read the suggestion :)
-19:41:05- (Chazz) we need to be able to post bounties
-19:41:07- (Chazz) its a must
-19:41:08- (jonahtebaaHOME) k hoof. forget that.
-19:41:13- (theotter) im actually indifferent now that hoofs thing about only 500stam per target sank in.
-19:41:14- (stormfury) agree.. making ladder hits bountyable opens it up to abuse
-19:41:14- (@Hoof) Chazz: I don't think sop
-19:41:21- (Chazz) I know you don't Hoof
-19:41:25- (Maehdros) how often is it abused now?
-19:41:27- (@Hoof) Chazz: I think its deterimental to it
-19:41:32- (Maehdros) ;)
-19:41:40- (Chazz) however I have a 40 Page thread that says differently but its your game... You are the boss
-19:41:41- (RD) think i got lost in the shuffle, lol
-19:41:47- (Blixen) I havent seen any abuse either
-19:41:54- (JohnnyMo) you that would bounty a ladder person is not in good form... no competition sport
-19:41:57- (shindrak) whole pvp abused atm by top pvp guilds
-19:42:04- (RD) this change brings a major loophole that i just posted
-19:42:07- (weapon4war) it is not abused much now because people know they can and will be dealt with on the board
-19:42:08- (Maehdros) only time ive ever done it is when someone traded rating, someone personally insulted me, or a guild mate
-19:42:14- (Maehdros) hence..policing the ladder
-19:42:15- (weapon4war) take that away and everyone will opt in
-19:42:19- (Maehdros) will it happen alot? no,
-19:42:19- (JohnnyMo) then stay off ladder
-19:42:21- (zizzwyly) exactly Chazz
-19:42:21- (Maehdros) but its the risk
-19:42:22- (boeffie) there is abuse in the ladder, and more people would play it if the new system comes in i think
-19:42:26- (weapon4war) form pacts, and manipulate with impunity
-19:42:31- (Denyza) This is a mess. Just follow your guts, hoof. It led you well, so far I'm sure you'll make the right changes.
-19:42:35- (JohnnyMo) you don't have to opt in to hit himi
-19:42:37- (Maehdros) abuse? ie: being hit alot?
-19:42:37- (@Hoof) Chazz: do you not see why it wouldn't be a good thing?
-19:42:37- (cramble) if someone insults you, then you can just ignore them
-19:42:37- (JohnnyMo) him/her
-19:42:39- (Hallowed1) NO bunties on ladder Period. If you want to loose the xp and 5 hit out side the ring... If I join the UFC I can't get a warrant on a guy that beat my face in.. same point..
-19:42:44- (Chazz) yes
-19:42:48- (Vastilos) ok, if PvP ladder hits cannot be bountied, then gold/exp loss should be removed too, and it shouldn't be called PvP ladder
-19:42:49- (Maehdros) nah, I prefer to speak with stam
-19:42:52- (jonahtebaaHOME) Ok wait. Make hitting an offline player give you 1 point, and hitting an online player give you 2 points
-19:42:53- (Maehdros) always have
-19:42:54- (@Hoof) you do see why it wouldn't be good?
-19:42:55- (Chazz) I have been trying to explain this Hoof...
-19:42:56- (boeffie) only thing with the new system is you can make attackers LOSE their points, not make them gain
-19:43:00- (Spider0007) I don't know what you mean :( suggestion?
-19:43:05- (JohnnyMo) this is a game right?
-19:43:06- (RD) so with this new system i can now 100 stam for gold and XP on opted in players with no ris of bounty or repricussion ?
-19:43:07- (Mr_Doom) Maedros I have a question. Why should you be able to deter someone from playing the ladder because of a personal insult? There are other ways of dealing with that, (ignore, sending a ticket)
-19:43:08- (Chazz) I want what's good for the game... I'm not being selfish
-19:43:13- (JohnnyMo) personal insults hurt you huh?
-19:43:18- (zizzwyly) some people want to play the ladder like cowards they opt out every time they are 100 stammed
-19:43:19- (Maehdros) im not deterring them
-19:43:20- (JohnnyMo) small people
-19:43:21- (weapon4war) can you give us a hug buff to send to the wrong doers at least? =D
-19:43:23- (Chazz) ladders need to be policed to do so people need bounties
-19:43:25- (Maehdros) im responding to them with pvp
-19:43:26- (Chazz) fact
-19:43:27- (RD) we all have an inner child johnnymo
-19:43:28- (@Hoof) Being able to manipulate the ladder with bounties isn't good :)
-19:43:29- (Maehdros) they can play all they want
-19:43:31- (UrcK) sticks and stones
-19:43:34- (shindrak) theres ignore functions for trashtalking.
-19:43:41- (theotter) i agree with that hoof.
-19:43:41- (Maehdros) or theres handling it on your own
-19:43:42- (JohnnyMo) yes you do...thanks for showing it
-19:43:42- (RD) then negate pvp transfer on the BB
-19:43:49- (Maehdros) manipulate?
-19:43:50- (JohnnyMo) still doesn't belong in a competition
-19:43:52- (zizzwyly) being able to manipulate the ladder with more members on it isnt good also
-19:43:53- (theotter) they already said that RD
-19:43:55- (Maehdros) i never said manipulate
-19:43:56- (@Hoof) RD: there won't be any PvP Rating
-19:43:58- (cramble) if the ladder needs to be policed, then it should be HCS that does it
-19:43:59- (Blixen) the only changes I would make to bb is. New prices and make hits unbountable
-19:44:00- (Vastilos) if someone is disrespectful towards you for you beating them on the ladder, they should loose 5
-19:44:03- (jonahtebaaHOME) hitting online player give more points than offline player.
-19:44:07- (Chazz) I am not interested in Pvp tranfer or not
-19:44:13- (JohnnyMo) me either
-19:44:14- (Blixen) not to the bb- to the ladder. Sorry
-19:44:17- (theotter) they are talking about people getting *run* off the ladder by getting blasted on the bb
-19:44:31- (Maehdros) ive never run someone off, due to bountying them
-19:44:31- (JohnnyMo) ladder should be separate from everything else.. it's on option
-19:44:34- (@Hoof) Chazz: please explain why you think the hits (which do take gold/xp) should be bountiable then?
-19:44:36- (Hallowed1) Or buying selling bounties off the ladder in any case
-19:44:37- (Placbeoo) Personally I find the ladder conducive to terrorism. aka players that are backed by pvp guilds that 100 stamina hourly. There is no benefit to 100 stamina except to attempt to scare "non pvpers" out of the ladder - or just to be a jerk or personal vendetta. As some1 who has little interest in pvp I can assure that I would have an interst if there was some
-19:44:39- (Placbeoo) system that allowed for pvp without xp loss and bountying. Lets face it the percentage of players on the ladder is non existant. I think a major overhaul needs to be done instead of just listening to what current players that are on the ladder want so they can dominate moreso.
-19:44:48- (boeffie) Vastilos, you don't TAKE anything from anyone by beating them, so why would they get all het up?
-19:44:50- (Vastilos) do what poeple who get counter bountied do... keep a list of names and when you see them on the BB, organize a party
-19:44:53- (boeffie) they loose XP is all
-19:45:02- (JohnnyMo) that is just dumb vast
-19:45:02- (boeffie) that is ladder
-19:45:04- (RD) there are too many of us bored pvp players looking to stomp people, if need be, and as far as i have seen witrh ladder, the need has not been there, how about we leave the bounty option open, move max stam usage to 500 and see what progreseses from there?
-19:45:10- (Blixen) I gotta say- most pvp guilds hate me. But I have silver dominance- and I have only been placed 1-2 times on the BB from a ladder hit.
-19:45:11- (JohnnyMo) hit hit hit... hit hit hit
-19:45:15- (weapon4war) non PvP ladder has been around for a long while. is called the arena =D
-19:45:16- (UrcK) if i have offended you on the ladder mae .. honor would be the only thing keeping CS from taking 5 each time i hit you ... some folks dont have that honor...
-19:45:16- (Chazz) Player A is on the ladder says and does dishonorable things... Player B can do what in return?
-19:45:17- (Vastilos) how so JMo?
-19:45:27- (Vastilos) exactly chazz
-19:45:29- (Kindiin) I don't think ladder should be bountyable, risk of opting in is getting hit. The 500 stam limit makes it fair for the poeple that want to join in, but work long hours and have families to attend to.
-19:45:29- (@Hoof) Chazz: hit them back
-19:45:34- (@Hoof) Chazz: on the ladder
-19:45:41- (cramble) Player B can ignore them
-19:45:46- (weapon4war) send him a hug buff chazz lol
-19:45:48- (Chazz) If he hits Player A than Plaer b goes to the board... While Player A looks sexy talking trash and doing dishonrable things
-19:45:48- (ilau) Pacebeoo is right
-19:45:51- (JohnnyMo) hit leading to hit leading to hit... dumb... ladder is competition not war with friends involved
-19:45:54- (zizzwyly) it does nothing to em hoof and places your charater at increased risk'
-19:45:55- (Maehdros) lets say someone in the game hits you hourly, talks trash, etc
-19:45:57- (Maehdros) off the ladder
-19:45:59- (Maehdros) you drop em
-19:46:00- (RD) hoof, what about the people on the ladder that do not care about points that just hit bounty free for gold and xp loss?
-19:46:01- (Chazz) Hoof... that's not enough
-19:46:03- (Maehdros) ladder is no different
-19:46:05- (@Hoof) I don't think 'trashtalk' it a valid reason to all bounties on the ladder
-19:46:07- (Maehdros) its still hourly hits
-19:46:10- (Mr_Doom) Pretty much Placeboo, nail on the head there I think.
-19:46:11- (Maehdros) sure it is
-19:46:13- (boeffie) pl;ayer B can try and make player A lose, and make him get less points
-19:46:13- (Chazz) you don't know just how much abuse Pvpers take ... LOL
-19:46:17- (JohnnyMo) agree hoof
-19:46:18- (Vastilos) yeah, but making someone who is ignorant loose 5 levels to teach them a lesson might make them less ignorant while playing
-19:46:19- (Chazz) We need to have bounties
-19:46:20- (weapon4war) good point RD
-19:46:24- (Spider0007) You drop him what? 2 Levels? Laughable.
-19:46:25- (Maehdros) ive been called lots of things for using 100 stam LOL
-19:46:28- (JohnnyMo) cuz you have no self respect
-19:46:30- (Chazz) and Bounties shouldn't Stack up either
-19:46:32- (Blixen) also make a toplist of dominance time? Should be very easy- and it would be fun to see who has most of it
-19:46:33- (JohnnyMo) you can't let things go
-19:46:34- (Maehdros) 2 levels ( with the new change)
-19:46:36- (JohnnyMo) and just play
-19:46:37- (Maehdros) sure i can
-19:46:39- (weapon4war) ladder could be a way for someone to 100 stam someone with no recourse +1
-19:46:43- (JohnnyMo) obviously not
-19:46:43- (Maehdros) but i make sure they dont do it again
-19:46:44- (@Hoof) ok one sec/
-19:46:44- (UrcK) sticks and stones mae
-19:46:47- (@Wolf) I am out, Don't blow the straw off'n the barn;)
-19:47:31- (@Mojawk) I think as with another couple of controversial things we've talked about tonight
-19:47:36- (@Mojawk) I think what we'd like to do
-19:47:48- (@Mojawk) is try a couple of resets of the ladder with these changes
-19:47:59- (@Mojawk) cause only a small percentage of players currently use the ladder
-19:48:38- (@Mojawk) and see how it goes, we'd like to improve PvP and our new system promotes activity
-19:48:59- (@Mojawk) so we'd like to try without any deterrents, and as was asked shortly ago
-19:49:09- (@Mojawk) in the event of a tie, the player that has used the most stamina
-19:49:15- (@Hoof) (t will still have gold/xp loss on the ladder)
-19:49:18- (@Mojawk) in the current ladder reset would win
-19:49:20- (@Hoof) *t
-19:49:23- (@Hoof) gah
-19:49:24- (@Hoof) *it
-19:49:30- (Vastilos) trashtalk and being disrespectful are 2 different things... not eveyone is a taddle tale and will hit the report button... they just take 5 from that person.... @Mojawk, why not try these ladder changes on the test server?
-19:49:31- (zizzwyly) no point using the ladder is there are no rewards worth the effort
-19:49:32- (Denyza) That's what I'm trying to say. Follow your guts and go for it. There's no possible outcome from such a messy chat >.< -19:49:37- (Placbeoo) well I think it is a very positive change that you guys are testing before making permanent changes. I would have liked to see this done with the initial arena changes. There are so many flaws in arena this could have helped the process. IF YOU WANT TO PROMOTE ACTIVITY: get rid of xp loss, this will encourage a desire for gear which will help so many aspects
-19:49:38- (Placbeoo) of the game
-19:49:44- (RD) mojawk, the new system promotes more abuse than the current one
-19:49:45- (Chazz) ROFLMAOOO you think this idea will promote activity... You think... we will see ...
-19:49:47- (theotter) why not in the event of a tie, it goes to who won the most against the other person*
-19:49:49- (@Hoof) zizz: we are already working on new items
-19:49:55- (UrcK) but if everyone uses all 500 on one another and there are no losses they have all use the same stam and ended up with the same points
-19:49:55- (boeffie) i'd like to be able to try, but think the stam overall would be the same
-19:50:00- (@Hoof) ok
-19:50:06- (Vastilos) like at how arena ties are calculated... its bogus
-19:50:06- (@Hoof) final topic for this evening....
-19:50:07- (weapon4war) good if i don't care about the ladder but want to harrass and abuse someone. i get 5 free 100 stam hits with no bounty board w00t!!!!!!!!!!!
-19:50:09- (wraith99) ties should not be determined by stamina spent but by win percentage
-19:50:24- (@Hoof) What new buffs (potions / skills) would you like to see added?
-19:50:32- (Placbeoo) teleportation
-19:50:32- (zizzwyly) so doing something now is just catching up
-19:50:34- (jonahtebaaHOME) AL400
-19:50:39- (Maehdros) KE for defense and armor
-19:50:39- (@Hoof) NEW buffs :P
-19:50:40- (@Hoof) :)
-19:50:40- (jonahtebaaHOME) Distil 150
-19:50:42- (UrcK) what ever happened to the port/warp idea?
-19:50:42- (Mr_Doom) Undermine
-19:50:43- (JohnnyMo) distil
-19:50:44- (@Hoof) not existing buffs
-19:50:44- (beastslayr) has GVG been discussed yet???
-19:50:46- (Placbeoo) please stop with the massive AL LIB COnserve pots ..
-19:50:50- (majar) smashing hammer potion
-19:50:54- (@Hoof) We're not discussing GvG this evening sorry
-19:50:55- (jonahtebaaHOME) you mean as ladder rewards or in general?
-19:50:55- (Maehdros) IE: .05% boost per point boost to defense for each set equipped
-19:50:57- (weapon4war) Hug Buff =D
-19:50:59- (stimpysam) teleport buff/pot
-19:51:00- (wraith99) something that would allow you to travel to your guilds defended relic swiftly
-19:51:03- (RD) a buff that saves your group on a pve attack, say a same percentage as DW
-19:51:06- (JohnnyMo) ladder is over
-19:51:08- (@Hoof) A relic teleport?
-19:51:11- (@Hoof) I quite like that
-19:51:12- (Maehdros) .05% boost to armor per point for each set equipped
-19:51:13- (zizzwyly) work time goodbye
-19:51:17- (JohnnyMo) relic teleport would be nice
-19:51:18- (UrcK) a waypoint teleport
-19:51:18- (@Hoof) bye zizz :)
-19:51:24- (stimpysam) sleep time, good night
-19:51:26- (Placbeoo) teleport (beacon ) buff i think is what has been asked for the most. Heat scan would be nice (colors for monster density)
-19:51:26- (JohnnyMo) or wayport better
-19:51:26- (jonahtebaaHOME) tc zizz
-19:51:28- (&Zukira) thanks for stopping by Zizz
-19:51:28- (Denyza) Not teleport. Walking is a good stam sink
-19:51:30- (@Hoof) waypoint would work to
-19:51:35- (Vastilos) o.O maehdros
-19:51:38- (wraith99) sometimes worst thing about relics for plyers like myself is saving that stam to get back to the relic
-19:51:40- (ilau) Hopefully you will have another discussion about GvG soon.
-19:51:44- (@Hoof) we have that skill in Gothador already :)
-19:51:49- (@Hoof) you can basically place a market
-19:51:51- (detlion) relic teleport best idea in a while
-19:51:52- (@Hoof) gah
-19:51:53- (RD) a deflect for relic defense
-19:51:53- (@Hoof) marker
-19:51:55- (JohnnyMo) i think a better assisst buff would be nice
-19:51:55- (theotter) a portal warp would be nice. take you to the nearest portal,
-19:51:56- (@Hoof) and teleport to it
-19:52:06- (wraith99) would be nice to be able to pay or attain a buff or something that would take me there while still being able to get in a full hunt
-19:52:15- (UrcK) 100 stam buff that you could leave a waypoint at area'x' and then goto it at a later date ..
-19:52:19- (Blixen) how about the opposite of sacrifice? A reduction in exp in return for better gold?
-19:52:22- (JohnnyMo) the percent is horrible on assist... make it kick in everytime
-19:52:24- (@Hoof) UrcK: yeah :)
-19:52:28- (weapon4war) did i miss the GvG discussion? D:
-19:52:31- (@Hoof) Johnny: not changes
-19:52:33- (Placbeoo) yes urck / hoof =)
-19:52:34- (Vastilos) o.O blixen
-19:52:35- (@Hoof) Johnny: new skills :)
-19:52:50- (UrcK) say .. leave one in your hunting area and then you could goto a relic and use it to get back ..
-19:52:51- (JohnnyMo) i am discussing new skills
-19:52:55- (@Hoof) ok :D
-19:52:56- (shindrak) we need to sink gold not get more :P
-19:52:57- (wraith99) exactly
-19:52:57- (jonahtebaaHOME) I buff that will decrease all other buffs' levels while active, but give you more XP when leveling.
-19:52:58- (ilau) No changes to GvG until a discussion I hope.
-19:52:58- (RD) and weapon i am with you on your last comment in regaurds to the ladder changes, lol. fun fun
-19:53:03- (Vastilos) yeah, a buff thats opposite to sacrifice would be cool
-19:53:05- (theotter) urck, could you use it every time? or just once
-19:53:13- (wraith99) i do not have 10 billion stamina to burn so every point in a way is precious to myself
-19:53:15- (UrcK) once waypoint drop
-19:53:15- (Placbeoo) gold prices i think are fine ... its been floating around 185-190k lately
-19:53:19- (weapon4war) thanks RD 100 stamms away!
-19:53:25- (UrcK) that last til you use it
-19:53:28- (JohnnyMo) a skill that takes an ally and adds it to you better than assist now
-19:53:31- (boeffie) ilau, GvG was discussed before
-19:53:39- (wraith99) one way street. takes you to relic and to hunting grounds
-19:53:40- (Roach) larger turn out than last time :)
-19:53:44- (Placbeoo) more arena turnover will lead to gold inflation problems ... arena needs a MAJOR overhal though
-19:53:58- (Placbeoo) i mean ... will fix gold inflation problems lol
-19:53:59- (UrcK) just one way .. not both is what i was thinking
-19:54:05- (@Hoof) yeah
-19:54:06- (theotter) i like the idea then about a town portal in FS ;)
-19:54:08- (@Hoof) a 1 way to the marker
-19:54:09- (wraith99) i was thinking one round trip per use
-19:54:12- (@Hoof) would be cool
-19:54:18- (Chazz) =)
-19:54:22- (jonahtebaaHOME) +1
-19:54:24- (@Hoof) also a relic port would be cool too
-19:54:31- (Mr_Doom) Can't we have Necrosis as a castable skill?
-19:54:37- (shindrak) new ageless 350 pot hoof counter for wither 350
-19:54:37- (theotter) nah, i dont like that idea, not nearly enough stam used then
-19:54:40- (jonahtebaaHOME) the same waypoint can be used for relic
-19:54:46- (wraith99) call it something nifty like "returning aura"
-19:54:47- (UrcK) necro as a buff would be awesome!
-19:54:47- (majar) I like waypoint teleport.
-19:54:50- (Roach) i think hoof with a relic port - maybe have it locked down so you have to control the relic to use :P
-19:54:57- (Placbeoo) necrosis would be a nice 1600+ skill
-19:54:58- (jonahtebaaHOME) ageless 350 pot is a good idea
-19:54:59- (theotter) with the one way, you have to at least walk half of the normal distance.
-19:55:02- (detlion) i like the idea of leaving a marker and then being able to teleport back to that spot
-19:55:09- (Placbeoo) i still have my necrosis 175 pot from that quest xD
-19:55:14- (@Hoof) jon: thats a current skill
-19:55:19- (majar) Relic port with a return waypoint is cool
-19:55:23- (@Hoof) brainstorming new cool skill ideas
-19:55:26- (RD) i woul;d like an anti sealed buff, still after changes, if you lose an incoming attack while sealed activates lose x% more XP
-19:55:27- (@Savanc) Necrosis level 175 would be too powerful in my opinion. If Necrosis would be half as strong then it's ok :)
-19:55:29- (@Hoof) think level 1500+ skills
-19:55:34- (Maehdros) KE for armor and defense
-19:55:36- (@Hoof) and also new potion ideas with new skills
-19:55:42- (Maehdros) boost per set worn
-19:55:46- (@Hoof) so far we've got ->
-19:55:46- (@Hoof) Teleport to a marker.
-19:55:47- (@Hoof) Teleport to a relic.
-19:55:47- (@Hoof) Necrosis as a castable skill?
-19:55:47- (Maehdros) 2 buffs
-19:55:49- (UrcK) and of course we all want some like KE for DEF/ARM
-19:55:50- (majar) smashing hammer 250
-19:55:58- (UrcK) some=something
-19:55:58- (@Hoof) majar: that is a current skill :P
-19:55:59- (Hallowed1) Skill Smoke for distorted stats and Zombiefied to infect and transfer infection causing enhancments failures lol
-19:56:04- (Maehdros) Oo
-19:56:08- (shindrak) yes for KE def/arm
-19:56:08- (majar) teleport to a marker
-19:56:11- (cramble) a defensive smashing hammer buff
-19:56:11- (jonahtebaaHOME) i am against buffs that increase stats
-19:56:12- (Maehdros) um
-19:56:15- (Placbeoo) necrosis is no more powerful than SK or SA , and as a 1600 buff i think its justified
-19:56:16- (boeffie) change the balanced buffs to some of the above
-19:56:18- (jonahtebaaHOME) we have too much stats already
-19:56:24- (Maehdros) enhancement increasing buffs?
-19:56:24- (RD) a skill that hides enhancements
-19:56:26- (Mr_Doom) I also sent you a message earlier Hoof regarding the Gloat/honor. If there is going to exist a buff to take gold and one to cast on ones self to lessen xp loss, can we move them down the skill trees a ways, so people lower down the foodchain won’t feel quite so hard done to?
-19:56:29- (JohnnyMo) agree jonah
-19:56:31- (Maehdros) BTW hoof..stalker is broken still?
-19:56:34- (Roach) when i hunt i can make 18k damage – 16k would be sufficient
-19:56:34- (jonahtebaaHOME) A buff that will give some value to 9 item sets
-19:56:36- (Placbeoo) well i guess SA is lower activatoin , but theres a 250 sk pot … so 175 necrosis shold be fine
-19:56:36- (majar) sorry, smashing hammer 250 potion
-19:56:37- (@Hoof) what enhancement max increasing buffs would you like ?
-19:56:46- (Maehdros) MT?
-19:56:48- (Maehdros) :P
-19:56:50- (@Hoof) MT?
-19:56:51- (Hallowed1) Hmmm
-19:56:52- (Vastilos) what about a buff that increases MT or Thievery percentage?
-19:56:54- (Mr_Doom) Master Crafter!!!!
-19:56:54- (@Hoof) oh
-19:56:54- (Placbeoo) master thief
-19:56:54- (@Savanc) @Placeboo: Maybe you’re right ;)
-19:56:54- (@Hoof) :P
-19:56:58- (Hallowed1) MT for sho
-19:56:58- (Maehdros) master thief
-19:57:02- (theotter) MT would be the only one i think could be nice.
-19:57:04- (RD) yes mt and thievery, though not sure what new changes to gloat will be like
-19:57:05- (@Hoof) a buff that boosts MT max?
-19:57:08- (JohnnyMo) invisible on board would be cool for SE hunters
-19:57:13- (Hallowed1) Or thivery atleast
-19:57:14- (Placbeoo) god , please dont ruin the game and increase master inventor / crafter enchamtnt
-19:57:15- (Maehdros) also a buff that gives .05% chance to cradt an item perfect?
-19:57:17- (JohnnyMo) mask where you are on board
-19:57:18- (jonahtebaaHOME) A buff that will give some value to 9 item sets
-19:57:19- (Maehdros) ( just brainstorming)
-19:57:23- (Vastilos) yes, because the stealing rates are horrible :p
-19:57:34- (Maehdros) craft*
-19:57:34- (Scathian) a buff that gives you the hypnotize enhancement
-19:57:37- (Blixen) MT would be nice- since you are always planning to cribble pvp’ers:-p It would be nice to get something
-19:57:42- (theotter) i agree with that JOnah
-19:57:42- (UrcK) if you do MT you have to do Protect gold one also
-19:57:43- (@Hoof) Master Thief enhancment max inc. would be ok
-19:57:45- (Placbeoo) 9 peice item sets are in the past … theres no way to balance it now
-19:57:46- (@Savanc) @jonah: something like the Balanced buffs?
-19:57:55- (Mr_Doom) It’s ok for you Placeboo, I have probably the worst luck in the game when it comes to crafting… 100′s of FSP to make items go yellow?! Ugh :(
-19:57:58- (RD) protect gold is already too tweaked
-19:58:01- (weapon4war) master thief increase will I get 5 free 100 stam ladder hits? AWSEOME! lol
-19:58:04- (wraith99) i thought of a new skill. “haunt” 0.5% per point of recently slain creatures stats may be added to your stats a t begining of combat
-19:58:06- (weapon4war) while
-19:58:08- (JohnnyMo) you didn’t read my suggestion did you placeeboo?
-19:58:09- (jonahtebaaHOME) +50 xp gain for every complete equipped set
-19:58:20- (JohnnyMo) on nine peice sets
-19:58:26- (Placbeoo) sorry i did not mean master crafter — that would be a fine buff for enchamtent increase …. i just meant master inventor
-19:58:29- (jonahtebaaHOME) there is a nice thread on 9 item sets in the forum btw
-19:58:33- (Blixen) jonah- that would help level 0-50 a little to much perhaps?
-19:58:34- (Placbeoo) johhny i missed it . copy paste?
-19:58:35- (theotter) wraith, its already easy enough to level, that would just make it simple at all levels.
-19:58:44- (JohnnyMo) i have to find one sec
-19:58:54- (@Hoof) ok
-19:58:55- (jonahtebaaHOME) maybe make it proportional to the plaer level
-19:58:59- (@Hoof) i’ll throw one out there
-19:59:05- (RD) a potion that will allow you to add a plus 1 stam gain to any peice of equipment you would like, and then that peice is bound to that player
-19:59:06- (wraith99) i am not thinking of mearly levelers. think of it as slay an se begin a pvp stats may be added
-19:59:07- (UrcK) i could see ppl without stam gain Epics using that one jonah
-19:59:26- (jonahtebaaHOME) how that URCK?
-19:59:42- (weapon4war) a level 25+ stam gain epic =D
-19:59:46- (JohnnyMo) http://forum.fallensword.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=104691
-19:59:58- (wraith99) enough of epics already lol
-20:00:00- (Placbeoo) lol start with the eye of oboo that costs like 3k fsp to make
-20:00:06- (JohnnyMo) this is a scavenging idea for nine piece sets
-20:00:11- • weapon4war wants an epic
-20:00:13- (jonahtebaaHOME) crystal sets
-20:00:19- (jonahtebaaHOME) 9 item crystals
-20:00:24- (theotter) RD, i like the idea, but i would rather it be a potion, which can last for inifinity, but could be killed by SB
-20:00:26- (Spider0007) How about a buff to bring back epic! Like Double the Epic stats buff
-20:00:26- (jonahtebaaHOME) with low durability from the caves
-20:00:29- (wraith99) more crystal could be nice
-20:00:46- (Placbeoo) really the only viable solution for 9 peice sets would be to have them equipped with buffs like SH level 500 buff or something – then when u take the set off it vanshies
-20:00:55- (JohnnyMo) look at my post
-20:01:02- (Placbeoo) buffs with sets has been something that has been brought up before and I think i like it … ug ok i have to read =(
-20:01:03- (JohnnyMo) solves some issues with them
-20:01:03- (jonahtebaaHOME) 9 item crystals from the caves with low durability and stam gain.
-20:01:15- (@Hoof) New Skill Ideas
-20:01:16- (@Hoof) ===============
-20:01:16- (@Hoof) Teleport to a marker.
-20:01:16- (@Hoof) Teleport to a relic.
-20:01:16- (@Hoof) Necrosis as a castable skill?
-20:01:16- (@Hoof) Increase Master Thief enhancement max.
-20:01:18- (Mr_Doom) Oh yeah, have you had any thought on how you could make balanced attack/defense more applicable to a wider range of players? Currently it’s utterly pointless for all but a small amount of level ranges,
-20:01:22- (majar) smashing hammer 250 potion and waypoint teleport skill
-20:01:23- (markaaron) That would be nice idea for a 9 item set
-20:01:34- (JohnnyMo) i still like invisible on the board buff
-20:01:35- (Roach) an buff to bring back epic items? – maybe something dropped by an SE that adds 5 dura to any item – an SE would make it so not too many are around
-20:01:37- (jonahtebaaHOME) SH175 is already too much
-20:01:39- (Blixen) %chance to double a random enhancement?
-20:01:44- (Roach) or from a chest
-20:01:51- (@Hoof) Blix: nice
-20:01:51- (theotter) hoof, what idea were you going to throw out?
-20:01:55- (weapon4war) how about a distil 100 buff?
-20:02:00- (@Hoof) theotter: it was terrible :)
-20:02:02- (Vastilos) well, instead of a buff for master thief and theivery enhancement max, cant you just raise the amount of gold it takes a little?
-20:02:03- (shindrak) lol SH 250 not needed :P we can overhit 1 hit creatures with SH175
-20:02:03- (UrcK) Folded:30 stam .. doubles level up points attributes for 180 mins
-20:02:04- (Roach) i like my distil 150 :P
-20:02:05- (@Hoof) theotter: i found a flaw in it :D
-20:02:13- (@Hoof) theotter: thinking again :)
-20:02:14- (weapon4war) lol
-20:02:20- (wraith99) ability to refurbish some points to crystal items. i see that as a backlash lol
-20:02:31- (Vastilos) distil should stay as a potion imo
-20:02:34- (RD) a potion that will allow you to delete 1 random stat from a peice of equipment with 3 stats or more, and those stats are disperced among the remaing stats
-20:02:40- (majar) OK how about SH175 potion
-20:02:42- (RD) yeah, no distil buff
-20:02:45- (theotter) i like that idea wraith, except maybe do it like relics *used* to do, so if you failed, you lost dura?
-20:02:45- (JohnnyMo) steal item buff?
-20:02:47- (JohnnyMo) lol
-20:02:47- (Placbeoo) ah yes good call roach . There should be a buff to count epics as a set part. NOT a full new set as that would be overpowered with SH. but simply to include it as a set for coordinated attack bonus .. this would bring back value to epics for hunting .
-20:02:55- (wraith99) that would work
-20:02:57- (RD) sh 175 is already out there for not too much money
-20:03:00- (theotter) would have to be a pot though.
-20:03:00- (Blixen) %chance to remove a enhancement from a pvp defender?
-20:03:02- (Vastilos) crystal gear should never ever be able to be repaired or be saved from taking damage
-20:03:02- (shindrak) lol johnny
-20:03:03- (wraith99) you mess up it take sa big ding
-20:03:04- (majar) Or sh160 potion (with distil)
-20:03:07- (Scathian) PB, that is a neat idea
-20:03:24- (shindrak) u can buy my buff for 1 fsp majar :P
-20:03:28- (jonahtebaaHOME) Fair Fight: while active, removes that damn 2% chance to hit regardless of stats
-20:03:32- (Maehdros) no distil buff please
-20:03:40- (JohnnyMo) lol jonah… nice call
-20:03:40- (Blixen) jonah – no way
-20:03:41- (majar) yes ok.
-20:03:42- (Placbeoo) dont buy from shin – buy buffs from me lol
-20:03:45- (weapon4war) Shh Mae is drinking
-20:03:50- (Maehdros) nah
-20:03:54- (weapon4war) lol
-20:03:57- (Chazz) so where are we?>
-20:03:58- (Maehdros) let the pots be used up.. for next halloween
-20:04:00- (theotter) actually jonah, i like that alot.
-20:04:01- (Vastilos) a buff that can remove a random enhancement would be cool
-20:04:05- (RD) looks to see if he can smash anyone selling buffs during irc dev chat
-20:04:05- (Chazz) Buffs, gear … what’s going on
-20:04:07- (UrcK) Stretched:25 stam … Death Dealer for Defense
-20:04:08- (markaaron) no distil buff!
-20:04:16- (Hallowed1) Random enhancment pot of 50, buff for both hunting and pvp nice :) and a counter … hehe
-20:04:17- (weapon4war) that is why i suggested a level 100 distil buff
-20:04:18- (Vastilos) no to distil buff!
-20:04:19- • Roach wonders if he can recruit 20 SS2 guys to join the fallensword chat :P
-20:04:28- (jonahtebaaHOME) that 2% is actually a 20% in my case
-20:04:29- (Maehdros) distil pots are a gold sink
-20:04:30- (Maehdros) ;)
-20:04:35- (Maehdros) youd be killing a good sink
-20:04:36- (jonahtebaaHOME) weapon4war should love that buff
-20:04:37- (Vastilos) 2% is a lot more than 2%
-20:04:38- (Placbeoo) <0 distil pots
-20:04:39- (Mr_Doom) Did anything ever get planned out with the Gems/Shards idea? I played a game (Kingdom of amalur) recently that had these exact same things it, could have some new buffs tied to these, would also stop the trending of setup too, with people being able to customise (to a certain extent) their favourite gear.
-20:04:41- (Placbeoo) <3
-20:04:43- (RD) roach there was an SS2 room here, was popular during it’s day
-20:04:44- (wraith99) no distill buff. that would devalue the heck out of the pots themselves
-20:04:45- (Chazz) distil should not be a buff
-20:04:46- (JohnnyMo) gold sink???? all fsp on the higher level ones
-20:04:49- (weapon4war) i like killing, it is true
-20:04:51- (Lupp0) some sort of gvg protection buff for people that wear all epics
-20:05:01- (Chazz) No way sorry
-20:05:05- (Roach) yes but – i just want to spam hoof with SS2 let him know the players never forgot about it :P
-20:05:07- (Chazz) get that outta here lol
-20:05:08- (Chazz) =P
-20:05:10- (UrcK) Croutch :15 stam increase duelist past 100
-20:05:10- (JohnnyMo) scavenging could be a gold sink again with my idea
-20:05:11- (jonahtebaaHOME) NOOO Lupp0. go back to guild caht
-20:05:17- (Placbeoo) imo its not pvp if people farm afk people that are on epics
-20:05:23- (Maehdros) so, how long would these changes take? 2 weeks ?
-20:05:27- (jonahtebaaHOME) then dont wear epics
-20:05:27- (Vastilos) no way lupp0, sorry
-20:05:30- (Chazz) Gvg Protection… Gold Protection, Can I have a PM Protection from whinners lol =P
-20:05:34- (weapon4war) 2 years
-20:05:34- (jonahtebaaHOME) you cant have it all
-20:05:35- (Maehdros) then dont go off in epics placeboo ;)
-20:05:37- (Vastilos) exactly, don’t wear epics
-20:05:38- (Lupp0) haha ;D
-20:05:46- (MagisNexus) Sorry, had to handle something real quick; I may be too late to give my input, but I was wondering about a buff that would increase the maximum percentage of fury caster? o_O
-20:05:51- (JohnnyMo) steal item from offline player buff lol
-20:06:01- (Scathian) Urck, that is called riposte right now
-20:06:02- (jonahtebaaHOME) and then have someone with all epics
-20:06:03- (jonahtebaaHOME) lol
-20:06:07- (Placbeoo) not every1 is a pvp monster =/
-20:06:17- (markaaron) lol
-20:06:22- (Maehdros) im not a monster
-20:06:23- (Maehdros) :P
-20:06:24- (JohnnyMo) small percent buff would be ok
-20:06:24- (weapon4war) that is why there is PvP protection
-20:06:27- (Maehdros) ask urck im nice!
-20:06:36- (UrcK) he is ..
-20:06:37- (jonahtebaaHOME) i bet u are
-20:06:40- (wraith99) thought of something. a possile decaying of epics? not to the point of crystal but possibly a slow devalu of att etc
-20:06:40- (@Mojawk) what about being able to repair crystaline items at a cost of their max durability so for example a 0/200 item could become 100/100?
-20:06:42- (Maehdros) i was even a… fracker once
-20:06:43- (Maehdros) :s
-20:06:46- (Vastilos) you can wear epics while offline, just pray that your guild doesnt have to do a GvG
-20:06:52- (Maehdros) sorry off topic
-20:06:55- (RD) repairing crystaline is bad, mkay>? lol
-20:06:58- (majar) stay away from my epics
-20:07:00- (Lupp0) I think its a nice idea since it opens up a new sort of defense fr gvg
-20:07:00- (Placbeoo) bletch has been 100 stamining me after doing nothing to him if i dont have pvp prtoection on for even a second … so i hate him the most atm
-20:07:02- (UrcK) you say that like its a bad thing mae
-20:07:11- (Mr_Doom) Glory: 1% extra xp gained for each crystal medal a player has.
-20:07:12- (Scathian) no to repairing crystal
-20:07:15- (theotter) moja, would devalue EVERY crystal
-20:07:17- (Blixen) ya- no tot aht
-20:07:18- (Vastilos) crystalline should never ever be protected from taking damage
-20:07:20- (Hallowed1) Ok recap
-20:07:27- (JohnnyMo) agree vast
-20:07:38- (jonahtebaaHOME) crystals need to break
-20:07:38- (Maehdros) when will changes be happening hoof?
-20:07:45- (Vastilos) and crystalling gear should never ever be repairable
-20:07:46- (Lupp0) yes break!!
-20:07:47- (jonahtebaaHOME) but more events with crystal
-20:07:49- (@Hoof) Mae: some will be later this week :)
-20:07:53- (Maehdros) oooh
-20:07:59- (@Hoof) We’re re-drawing ALL the medals
-20:07:59- (Hallowed1) Hmmm
-20:08:00- (Spider0007) thumbs up!
-20:08:01- (@Hoof) as well
-20:08:03- (Maehdros) some of the ones we discussed?
-20:08:06- (Maehdros) (rock)
-20:08:09- (Spider0007) good!
-20:08:09- (Vastilos) :D
-20:08:12- (@Hoof) It looks like some Ruby ones have been drawn too ;)
-20:08:14- (Spider0007) Don’t mess ‘em up too bad
-20:08:15- (Maehdros) ah..new medal tier
-20:08:15- (JohnnyMo) medals are discussion now?
-20:08:18- (Maehdros) will it be retro?
-20:08:22- (Mr_Doom) Hoof, thanks GOODNESS, sorry but some of the new ones a fuuuuuugly
-20:08:22- (Maehdros) like…dom medal..etc
-20:08:24- (Maehdros) hours wise
-20:08:25- (@Hoof) for existing medals yes
-20:08:33- (@Hoof) not discussing medals now tho :)
-20:08:35- (@Hoof) only new skills
-20:08:37- (@Hoof) then bed :D
-20:08:42- (weapon4war) just give me my 100 stam crystal medal now please if it is retro! LOL
-20:08:42- (jonahtebaaHOME) 3 Am here
-20:08:46- (MagisNexus) What about a buff that temporarily increases stam/exp/gold gain per hour by a small amount?
-20:08:47- (Blixen) hoof- can you make a toplist of dominance time?? Would be fun to see who has most of it..
-20:08:59- (Spider0007) I’m out, thanks for doing this cow gods!
-20:09:03- (Hallowed1) What skills do we have on the list Hoof?
-20:09:05- (majar) magisnexus +1
-20:09:19- (MagisNexus) Ciao Spider~
-20:09:24- (RD) same here, time for me to go, think this was a very productive discussion :)
-20:09:29- (Placbeoo) speaking of medals – what ever happened to the idea of improving the look of the new event medals (they look very nintendo- ish) titan medal could use a new colr as well , crystal and gold look like urine =(
-20:09:39- (Maehdros) im uber pumped to see buffs fixed..above all else
-20:09:58- (jonahtebaaHOME) i am looking forward to see ladder screwed
-20:10:01- (Hallowed1) +1 boo for got about that… :)
-20:10:02- (boeffie) Hoof, RD mentioned Disarm, in connection with Erosion not going to be affecting crystalline, how would that work ?
-20:10:08- (RD) ohh, 1 thing puzzled me, said barricade will be user selected for levels, is nmv and SC going to be the same ?
-20:10:11- (theotter) i think the ladder will be fine, looks good.
-20:10:12- (Vastilos) me too maehdros
-20:10:21- (jonahtebaaHOME) disarm is not too bad, but erosion???? its too much
-20:10:22- (boeffie) Disarm won’t affect Crystalline weapon then?
-20:10:25- (weapon4war) me too jonah
-20:10:29- (RD) ahh yes disarm, forgot about that
-20:10:35- (boeffie) is 50% jon
-20:10:40- (Vastilos) umm… it’s not logical to want crystalline gear to take damage from attacks, but not enhancements
-20:10:46- (Vastilos) you wear crystal gear, you know the risks
-20:10:49- (Maehdros) enhancements do alot more damage
-20:10:54- (jonahtebaaHOME) 50% is lots of time remaining on a crystal weapon
-20:11:00- (RD) mae is correct there ;)
-20:11:06- (jonahtebaaHOME) but erosion is a thow that item away
-20:11:15- (Placbeoo) hoof what do u think of my idea to include epics as part of coordinated attack/ def bonus (not as an entire new set for smashing hammer bonus). as a buff?
-20:11:17- (JohnnyMo) how bout add random enhancement buff?
-20:11:34- (theotter) i dont like that place
-20:11:41- (markaaron) Yea not for that idea
-20:11:43- (RD) a uff that has the chance to double an existing enhancement ? and 1 to negate all player enhancements
-20:11:43- (Mr_Doom) Dragonbane set…. (just sayin’)
-20:11:44- (jonahtebaaHOME) CA for a full set of epics is fine with me
-20:11:48- (theotter) they are already overpowered stats.
-20:11:57- (weapon4war) like a reckoning, only for enhancements?
-20:11:59- (theotter) if you could add them into CA, then…
-20:12:03- (RD) epic sets = epic phale
-20:12:03- (Lupp0) when i say it you laugh jonah, and now its good? :p
-20:12:08- (UrcK) yeah .. i dont think we need more damage increasers
-20:12:12- (Placbeoo) its not an entire new set … it wouldnt be that much more powerful – u guys arennt reading correctly
-20:12:13- (Maehdros) epics should never count as sets
-20:12:15- (Lupp0) i will deal with you in guild chat :D
-20:12:15- (Maehdros) imo
-20:12:19- (markaaron) weapon4war, i like that idea
-20:12:19- (JohnnyMo) i like reckoning for enhancements
-20:12:22- (jonahtebaaHOME) LMAO Lupp0. when did you say that?
-20:12:27- (MagisNexus) Considering Erosion is so dividing, what about a buff to counter erosion? Send it back on the user?
-20:12:31- (theotter) PB, you are talking about epics being considered *set items* right?
-20:12:37- (Maehdros) if you mean for them to count for coord…then its debatable
-20:12:41- (Placbeoo) it DOES NOT count as a new set for smashimg hammer bonus … just allows for coodinated atk and def to function when epic is equipped
-20:12:51- (rebornjedi) ^
-20:13:00- (JohnnyMo) did hoof leave?
-20:13:03- (Placbeoo) probably
-20:13:05- (theotter) it would make hunting just even easier.
-20:13:08- (Mr_Doom) Damage? Nah, I was thinking more like extra sustain, Fury Caster, Master Inventor, master Crafter and stam/exp gain. Not actually ‘battle stats’ :S
-20:13:09- (Maehdros) yip
-20:13:17- (weapon4war) he is back in lamium’s food drawer :/
-20:13:18- (Placbeoo) have u hunted at level 1300 + otter?
-20:13:26- (markaaron) placeboo, i think it could work, but would need to be limmited to 1 epic per 50 skill points or such?
-20:13:29- (theotter) a HELL NO to anything that adds to master inventor and macster crafter.
-20:13:30- (Maehdros) can we get a recap before hoof leaves?
-20:13:32- (Maehdros) ;)
-20:13:34- (RD) master crafter, no, only enhancements that work during battle
-20:13:48- (JohnnyMo) yes RD agree
-20:13:51- (Lupp0) i said some sort of defense buff, doh. People wearing epics are 100% free target always. Why would people that buy them and spend tons on them always be a target? I do not have an epic collection, and i dont care about it myself.. but i just think its a nice idea
-20:14:04- (JohnnyMo) lupp0 go back to game lol
-20:14:07- (jonahtebaaHOME) How about introducing curses to the game? buffs with negative effects. Then have healing buffs to counter them?
-20:14:11- (Mr_Doom) On an epic set that would get no ‘battle’ stats in a set bonus, you’d want to add in battle ‘enhancements’? lol
-20:14:22- (MagisNexus) +1 jonahtebaaHOME.
-20:14:28- (Placbeoo) my idea would only make certain sets a bit more powerful as it is still going to optimal to create full sets for smashing hammer bonus
-20:14:28- (Lupp0) no mo, its just an idea and this is the time to say it ;)
-20:14:32- (majar) Heat scan
-20:14:36- (majar) Buff
-20:14:38- (Maehdros) we have cursed buffs jonah
-20:14:39- (Maehdros) ;)
-20:14:41- (JohnnyMo) and your done lol =P
-20:14:44- (Maehdros) more stats, broken gear
-20:14:45- (Maehdros) :P
-20:14:56- (UrcK) +1 to heat scan
-20:15:01- (Placbeoo) +7
-20:15:04- (@Hoof) Back in 5
-20:15:04- (@Hoof) :)
-20:15:06- (Lupp0) i have one more with humor? wanna hear it? hahaha
-20:15:10- (jonahtebaaHOME) no. i mean buffs that you cast on someone. he cannot block them. and they reduce his stats or enhancements
-20:15:11- (JohnnyMo) sure
-20:15:14- (Maehdros) nah
-20:15:22- (Maehdros) shouldnt be able to buff someone like that mate
-20:15:29- (jonahtebaaHOME) awwwww
-20:15:29- (Chazz) Heat scan for hunting LOL … How easy can hunting get LOL
-20:15:32- (jonahtebaaHOME) ur nice Mae
-20:15:32- (JohnnyMo) i think manipulating enhancements is fun
-20:15:47- (JohnnyMo) isn’t hunting already too easy?
-20:15:50- (Chazz) or will Heat scan be used for finding SE’s and making that easier?
-20:15:59- (JohnnyMo) YES chazz!!!
-20:16:08- (jonahtebaaHOME) that will kill SE hunting :)
-20:16:09- (Placbeoo) no just for monster density – a SE would only appear as a normal monster
-20:16:10- (jonahtebaaHOME) yes
-20:16:11- (jonahtebaaHOME) do it
-20:16:13- (Chazz) what would heat scan be used for … I saw it and giggles lol
-20:16:14- (MagisNexus) What about a Titan version of SE-slayer? o_O
-20:16:27- (JohnnyMo) nice magis
-20:16:30- (Maehdros) i think theivery should be looked into as well ( before gloat and honor kicks) its already terrible O.o
-20:16:31- (Chazz) LOL a titan slayer lol
-20:16:32- (jonahtebaaHOME) +1
-20:16:35- (jonahtebaaHOME) Titan Slayer
-20:16:39- (Lupp0) are u kidding me now about the heat scan? seriously????????
-20:16:47- (Vastilos) nod maehdros, it is very broken
-20:16:48- (JohnnyMo) frank go to bed
-20:16:51- (jonahtebaaHOME) lol
-20:16:51- (theotter) HELL NO to titan slayer as well
-20:16:52- (Lupp0) +1 titan slayer
-20:16:59- (Chazz) yes I agree with Master theif being looked at first and than Thievery and than gloat and honor
-20:17:00- (theotter) they are already easy enough.
-20:17:02- (majar) High level heat buff skill for se?
-20:17:03- (Placbeoo) level , if u want to 1 hit titans…
-20:17:05- (jonahtebaaHOME) +/- 1 to titan slayer
-20:17:10- (JohnnyMo) then it won’t matter
-20:17:15- (MagisNexus) To certain people, SE’s are easy.
-20:17:26- (JohnnyMo) i think they are easy lol
-20:17:33- (Mr_Doom) How about when these level 1600 buffs get released they are all made so they can only be cast on ones self.. That way people complaining that they are too powerful etc won’t feel pressured into buying them (their friends at the same level won’t have them) People would also have to level up to get the new shiny buffs for a change.. Would hurt buff sales, but oh well.. Be worth it..
-20:17:34- (Vastilos) SEs are easy
-20:17:35- (JohnnyMo) finding them sucks though
-20:17:36- (Placbeoo) dreadlord requires buffs to solo =(
-20:17:49- (majar) Heat scan 175 50% chance of see SE
-20:17:49- (jonahtebaaHOME) quit bragging
-20:17:52- (Placbeoo) haha
-20:18:00- (jonahtebaaHOME) lol
-20:18:12- (Scathian) :p
-20:18:13- (jonahtebaaHOME) i wanna solo chicken
-20:18:13- (JohnnyMo) has it been 5?
-20:18:15- (markaaron) i like that idea doom
-20:18:26- (Hallowed1) White Bread
-20:18:27- (Blixen) is the effect of “dualist” confirmed? Ive always considered it to be broken, or is it just so small a effect that its hard to confirm?
-20:18:35- (JohnnyMo) i like that personal buffs lol
-20:18:36- (&Zukira) how about a buff similar to prestige, but called Karma?
-20:18:40- (MagisNexus) I just hope that Hoof reads through everything we’ve said so far.
-20:18:50- (Scathian) blixen, it works. 100% = 10% boost
-20:18:59- (jonahtebaaHOME) i hope he doesnt
-20:19:02- (Blixen) ok
-20:19:14- (JohnnyMo) http://forum.fallensword.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=104691
-20:19:15- (Placbeoo) i like it doom… maybe decreased buff level with level? up to level 500 only gets a level 50 1600 buff , 500-1000 gets 100 and 1000-1500 gets level 150 … 1600+ gets 175
-20:19:17- (Scathian) RJEM did a mythbuster on it once
-20:19:20- (JohnnyMo) check it out while we wait
-20:19:32- (jonahtebaaHOME) while at his, let the new ladder sets have duelist and MT please
-20:19:36- (weapon4war) Hoof is in a self induced fish and chips coma
-20:19:44- (&Zukira) which encourages you to donate gold to a fund for newbies, for them to buy newbie gear that is bound, and you can also get it from a thank you click from a low level (between say 15 and 50) who you do something nice for like if you buff them.
-20:19:53- (Mr_Doom) Nah placeboo, just don’t let them play with our new toys at all, unless the level up. ;)
-20:19:54- (Blixen) well- since dualist boost “pvp attack/dam”- there could be another enhancement that boost “pvp def/arm”?
-20:20:09- (Placbeoo) but i like to sell buffs xD
-20:20:10- (JohnnyMo) maybe stam should cost more for buffing lower level players lol
-20:20:13- (majar) :-p
-20:20:16- (Hallowed1) +1 for a enhancement randomizer buff
-20:20:31- (majar) :-P
-20:20:37- (JohnnyMo) +1 for random enhancement buff
-20:20:43- (JohnnyMo) wait that was my idea
-20:20:48- (jonahtebaaHOME) lol
-20:20:55- (Hallowed1) ;)
-20:20:59- (markaaron) lol
-20:21:00- (&Zukira) I do too Placbeoo but I also like helping newbies, and if we are a little helpful they might stick around longer and grow the playerbase some more.
-20:21:03- (Mr_Doom) I think Hoofmonster fell asleep…
-20:21:03- (Maehdros) doom, you want game to die? LOL
-20:21:06- (Maehdros) ;)
-20:21:07- (jonahtebaaHOME) add an online activity monitor
-20:21:19- (jonahtebaaHOME) 3:20 Am here
-20:21:20- (JohnnyMo) no jonah.. go to corner
-20:21:24- (jonahtebaaHOME) good night
-20:21:25- (Maehdros) 9:49
-20:21:29- (Maehdros) niteer
-20:21:34- (Mr_Doom) Die? Because players wouldn’t have access to something they didn’t really deserve?? lol Don’t be silly!
-20:21:38- (jonahtebaaHOME) ZZZzzzzzz
-20:21:41- (Placbeoo) everything below level 1k is a joke now . theres nothing u need to do besides buy sh and CA, they dont need better buffs
-20:21:42- (markaaron) olol
-20:21:49- (Blixen) something I really hate is having to delete items when I scavenge. Would be nice if you could make it more like when you hunt. So you can delete the crap by clicking it
-20:22:04- (@Mojawk) I think what we’ll do
-20:22:08- (@Mojawk) is when we post this news up
-20:22:14- (@Mojawk) we’ll ask for more suggestions
-20:22:16- (@Mojawk) for new buffs
-20:22:17- (Placbeoo) ya , would be nice to be able to one click an item and tell the game not to collect anymore of that item
-20:22:18- (@Mojawk) in the thread
-20:22:21- (JohnnyMo) you didn’t get enough?
-20:22:40- (Placbeoo) there was a HUGE buff suggestion thread awhile back .. i think all u need to do is refer to that
-20:22:43- (@Savanc) More suggestions = good :)
-20:22:58- (markaaron) ^^^^ waht he said
-20:23:01- (majar) it would be for Gold
-20:23:26- (Hallowed1) Ok .001 percent chance to take banked gold True Tief buff lol
-20:23:46- (@Savanc) -1 on that suggestion :\
-20:23:49- (Hallowed1) lol
-20:23:53- (markaaron) +11000000000
-20:23:55- (MagisNexus) I don’t like that. Gold in the bank should be sanctioned. =/
-20:23:58- (Blixen) would make the “top horder list” my new attack list
-20:24:03- (Placbeoo) althogh i would like to see epics come back into hunting instead of sets. let epics work for coordinated attack and def … but not to count as an additional set for more SH bonus
-20:24:04- (JohnnyMo) i rob banks
-20:24:05- (theotter) Bank theif, 0.001% to activate to take a certain amount? :P
-20:24:08- (Maehdros) banked gold is banked gold lol
-20:24:16- (markaaron) lol
-20:24:17- (Maehdros) never get people to agree to it being able to be stolen
-20:24:18- (Placbeoo) omg … no i have 2 biliion gold … it is mine
-20:24:18- (Maehdros) :P
-20:24:20- (JohnnyMo) you can hunt with epics.. go ahead =P
-20:24:22- (Hallowed1) Bank robber is the mannn
-20:24:22- (Mr_Doom) Puppet master: 0.2% per point chance that the creature you just killed will reanimate and assist you in your next combat. (Total of 50% of creatures stats added to your own)
-20:24:29- (Maehdros) oooh
-20:24:31- (Maehdros) i like that
-20:24:35- (Maehdros) LOL
-20:24:36- (&Zukira) oo
-20:24:40- (Maehdros) imagine it for se hunting
-20:24:41- (MagisNexus) How about 20%, like a group?
-20:24:41- (Maehdros) o.o
-20:24:42- (Scathian) name is very cool :p
-20:24:45- (Placbeoo) I WANT A PET MONSTER!
-20:24:46- (markaaron) i like the idea of that.
-20:24:46- (Maehdros) kill skull carver
-20:24:47- (&Zukira) zombified zombie pirates ftw
-20:24:54- (Maehdros) then it helps u kill another one
-20:24:55- (Maehdros) LOL
-20:24:57- (MagisNexus) Doesn’t work on SE, like SSI.
-20:24:58- (Blixen) sure that sounds fun. 0.2 is a lot though
-20:24:59- (Hallowed1) LMAO
-20:25:04- (@Savanc) What if your pet and your Imp don’t get along? O_O
-20:25:11- (theotter) lol
-20:25:11- (JohnnyMo) AM for SE’s…. drop rate sucks
-20:25:17- (Placbeoo) some of the higher level elites are way stronger than skull carver and dreadlord
-20:25:18- (Chazz) Yeah that would be great… having additional stats while hunting oh yeah !! =)
-20:25:18- (MagisNexus) Then they rip you apart and you lose the game forever.
-20:25:18- (markaaron) my imp is always nice :P
-20:25:23- (Mr_Doom) No 50%, like the assist skill….
-20:25:46- (Hallowed1) There’s an Idea
-20:25:51- (MagisNexus) As far as SE’s, what about .01% per point per SE medal?
-20:25:52- (Chazz) Maybe with enough hordes I might be able to have 30k in damage? We will need a stronger overkill buff lol
-20:26:01- (Robinbanks) i like “puppet master” but i think it should b found in the caves and assist you for say.. 1 hour.. if you dont like the puppet then keep hitting the caves till you find a strong one.
-20:26:25- (Placbeoo) not one hour that would be way overpowered if u got a strong enemy … at most .. 3 or 5 battles
-20:26:27- (JohnnyMo) AM for SE’s and Elites…. i hate waiting for spawn times
-20:26:29- (MagisNexus) It would make getting the Super Elite medals actually worth it.
-20:26:48- (@Savanc) I agree with Placeboo :)
-20:26:50- (markaaron) lol i am out night everyone
-20:27:08- (Mr_Doom) I was thinking the same thing placeboo, Puppet master would have to not include group kills. So if you can solo some of the big Elites up here (still possible, just not easy for everyone) then you deserve the chance that they’ll kick some ass for you next battle..
-20:27:28- (Placbeoo) maybe 17.5% chance buff to roll another chance for an item on an SE … AM for SE breaks the game to much. some se drops are ridicolous … baron helms are 40 fsp =/
-20:27:35- (JohnnyMo) for big elites? isn’t imp enough?
-20:27:38- (Maehdros) ca is awesome for elitesyipppp
-20:27:49- (Placbeoo) yes doom , that works … no group kills – just soloed kills
-20:28:06- (MagisNexus) Is there a CA-version of defense/armor?
-20:28:11- (JohnnyMo) yeah i like that better PB
-20:28:18- (Maehdros) i meant counter attack
-20:28:20- (Mr_Doom) Johnny mo, not sure what you mean? Wuldn’t help you kill the elite at all, (unless you was solo farming and got lucky)
-20:28:42- (JohnnyMo) IMP allows on Elites 6 battles already
-20:28:57- (Placbeoo) that is a problem
-20:29:03- (@Savanc) I used to solo all my Elites…
-20:29:16- (MagisNexus) Or a buff that poisons you (lose 5% health per turn) but do more damage?
-20:29:16- (@Savanc) CA would give me more benefits than a group :p
-20:29:29- (Placbeoo) maybe make it 100% of enemy stats and it can only be common enemies or champions
-20:29:50- (Roach) nubcake
-20:29:57- • @Savanc slaps Hoof around with fish, chips and vinegar (don’t make me use the haggis!)
-20:30:05- (@LamiumFSDev) Okay guys, I’m out, I gotta get in the office fairly early to get some stuff done before Hoof and Mojawk get in. Good night and I hope you guys have enjoyed the chat so far! It’s been great hearing from you all!
-20:30:08- (MagisNexus) ^ There is no nubcake on FS. >_< -20:30:09- (Roach) type /nick (yourFSID)
-20:30:18- (Placbeoo) lol been awhile since i used irc ... i forgot about hte fish slapping
-20:30:18- (Hallowed1) Eww
-20:30:24- (MagisNexus) Bye Lamium~
-20:30:28- (@Savanc) Cya later Lamium! :)
-20:30:34- (JohnnyMo) http://forum.fallensword.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=104691
-20:30:35- (&Zukira) later Lamium, nice chatting
-20:30:38- (JohnnyMo) still no new comments
-20:30:46- (nubcake) um hi
-20:31:01- (Roach) type /nick (name) to change nick
-20:31:20- (Mr_Doom) I think you're getting hung up on the elites here a bit, wouldn't exactly be efficient to hunt the elite every time you hit a creature, just in the hope it'd help you kill whatever your regular level creep was.. Was just stating it'd be fun to have one of those big guys fight at your side after soloing one..
-20:31:44- (JohnnyMo) oh yeah that's cool
-20:31:54- (@Savanc) Sort of like Assist, but with the creature you just defeated :)
-20:31:56- • Magis MagisNexusthewizardofpudding
-20:32:01- (Placbeoo) doom : i think it would abused that way . u could go kill an elite then go kill some SE or other elite easily
-20:32:03- (Magis) .
-20:32:03- (JohnnyMo) assist is a horrible buff
-20:32:14- (@Savanc) why is assist so horrible??
-20:32:16- (@Hoof) hey
-20:32:18- (@Hoof) ok
-20:32:20- (Hallowed1) Waz up
-20:32:22- (Magis) Woot!
-20:32:23- (Placbeoo) assist 250 is aactually pretty good if u have strong allies =)
-20:32:23- (@Savanc) WB, Hoof ;)
-20:32:28- (@Hoof) we would like to thank everyone who joined the chat tonight :)
-20:32:31- (JohnnyMo) cuz of the percent and everything else about it
-20:32:36- (@Hoof) We'll be posting up a thread on the forum
-20:32:40- (Magis) Dun' leave us, Hoofy! D=
-20:32:43- (@Hoof) to continue the discussion of new skills
-20:32:44- (Placbeoo) forum threads =(
-20:32:48- (@Savanc) Assist works fine if you know how to choose your allies :p
-20:32:53- (Mr_Doom) You can set your allies up to make it 'sort of' usefull, but that means you have to be quite 'vulcan' when it comes to picking and choosing allies..
-20:32:54- (@Hoof) and we'll definately be making this a regular occurance :D
-20:32:54- (nubcake) oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook come down evreone
-20:32:57- (Placbeoo) look my ally list : so good
-20:32:58- (Placbeoo) lol
-20:33:02- (@Hoof) as we think its super beneficial to the game :D
-20:33:10- (shindrak) this chat really good one day aweek !
-20:33:13- (@Mojawk) thanks everyone =) hope you enjoyed it
-20:33:14- (@Hoof) I'll post up a thread as well summarizing what we chatted about
-20:33:16- (JohnnyMo) i don't discriminate based on level
-20:33:18- (@Hoof) re: changes to the current skills
-20:33:19- • Magis latches on to Hoofy. Q_Q
-20:33:19- (Placbeoo) next topic of disccusion: arena
-20:33:21- (Placbeoo) pleaes please
-20:33:31- (JohnnyMo) arena is horrible.... done
-20:33:31- (tonezone) haha spider ....
-20:33:33- (Vastilos) i want to poke someone in the eye :p
-20:33:37- (@Hoof) Placeboo: we'll put up a thread for suggested topics
-20:33:38- (tonezone) whats up
-20:33:41- (@Hoof) on the next chat too :)
-20:33:50- (@Hoof) ok so
-20:33:51- (weapon4war) and hold a funeral for the death of the ladder lol =P
-20:33:53- (@Hoof) thank you everyone
-20:33:55- (@Hoof) and good night :)
-20:34:00- (weapon4war) good night hoof
-20:34:01- (JohnnyMo) http://forum.fallensword.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=104691 should be on next topic
-20:34:01- (Magis) Bye. =(
-20:34:04- (theotter) gnite
-20:34:05- (tonezone) thanx hoof ..
-20:34:10- (Mr_Doom) Laters HOOf
-20:34:11- (Scathian) thank you hoof
-20:34:11- (Vastilos) good night Hoof
-20:34:12- (Hallowed1) GN
-20:34:18- ºº¹º Quit» (Hoof) (Hoofmaster@Has Left the IRC) (Baibai: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com < - *I* use it, so it must be good!)
-20:34:20- (Blixen) ya- night
-20:34:22- (majar) :-P
-20:34:22- (Vastilos) wow, it's 834pm where i am
-20:34:23- (tonezone) would not be here right now lmao
-20:34:34- (Magis) Ten bucks it gets quiet now.
-20:34:37- (cramble) east coast represent
-20:34:37- (majar) :-|
-20:34:46- (majar) :-L
-20:34:46- (Vastilos) lol cramble
-20:34:48- (+cyrus7) Of course it will get quiet.
-20:34:50- • RD noise noise noise noise
-20:34:53- (Vastilos) eeeeeeeeeeeast siiiiiiiiide
-20:34:57- (+cyrus7) all the groupies will disappear
-20:34:58- • MagisNexus drops a pen.
-20:34:58- (cramble) lmao
-20:35:01- (@Mojawk) ok guys
-20:35:04- (@Mojawk) thanks for having me
-20:35:06- (Blixen) so- I can make 10$ just by making noise
-20:35:11- (@Mojawk) ]see you all again soon i'm guessing =)
-20:35:21- (@Mojawk) btw
-20:35:27- • @Savanc pokes Mojawk. When will the new Dev Chat be?
-20:35:28- (@Mojawk) you guys want some info
-20:35:29- (Mr_Doom) Use your realy name next time Rad! :P Laters
-20:35:30- • weapon4war will miss his friend the PvP ladder. Was nice knowing you
-20:35:31- (@Mojawk) now hoof's gone
-20:35:34- (@Mojawk) xD
-20:35:35- (RD) hopeso mojawk, and now that i know you are radneto there is no more hiding
-20:35:38- • RD evil laugh
-20:35:43- (@Mojawk) ~~~~~~~~~CENSORED IF YOU MISSED CHAT SORRY~~~~~~~~~~~ (z)
-20:35:50- (@Mojawk) ~~~~~~~~~CENSORED IF YOU MISSED CHAT SORRY~~~~~~~~~~~ (z)
-20:35:52- (@Mojawk) *cough*
-20:35:54- (@Mojawk) *cough*
-20:35:55- (RD) nice
-20:35:57- (@Savanc) :)
-20:35:57- (@Mojawk) anyway
-20:35:59- (MagisNexus) I have no clue what that is. >_< -20:36:00- (Vastilos) *fart*
-20:36:00- (Mr_Doom) Niiice
-20:36:05- (weapon4war) eww
-20:36:05- (@Mojawk) cya all in not too long =)
-20:36:05- (Scathian) sweet
-20:36:06- (RD) laters mojawk
-20:36:08- (@Savanc) Cya later Mojawk ;)
-20:36:11- (MagisNexus) See ya.
-20:36:12- (Blixen) make us able to reset our SS2 chars- so we can play the game over and over- since you are not adding new stuff:-p
-20:36:19- (@Mojawk) peace
-20:36:19- (Vastilos) you smealt it, you dealt it w4w
-20:36:28- (weapon4war) >_< -20:36:32- º¹¹¹ Quit» (Mojawk) (Baibai:)
-20:36:32- (Roach) [17:35] make us able to reset our SS2 chars- so we can play the game over and over- since you are not adding new stuff:-p
-20:36:33- (Roach) +1
-20:36:43- (Blixen) hehe- to late
-20:38:58- (&Zukira) thanks for coming to the dev chat folks :)

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Following the sum up of the chat HCS expressed their pleasure at having had a good bull session with the players and a strong interest in holding another session soon. We certainly are looking forward to it!

On that note, you can see the changes that were discussed and chime in on the official forum thread about what was discussed on Friday.

Tuesday 27th March, at 22:00 GMT (server time) there will be another dev chat. Topics will include buffs, old and new. Especially those that will be influenced by the upcoming pvp/gvg changes. There is likely to be other topics also on the table. Be sure to stop by and get in on the discussion.

Please note that during a Dev chat the staff will at times be moderating the room to allow HCS to summarize and present ideas. To keep order we will at times mute the majority of users while the cows do so and then open the floor again when they are ready. This is in the interest of keeping things on topic, organized and coordinated so that the time we have with the cows can be as productive as possible.

]]> http://fallenswordirc.com/2012/03/dev-chats/feed/ 0 Alpha-fied or omg the new UI is coming! http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/11/alpha-fied-or-omg-the-new-ui-is-coming/ http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/11/alpha-fied-or-omg-the-new-ui-is-coming/#comments Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:58:35 +0000 Zukira Phaera http://fallenswordirc.com/?p=461 As irc regulars know the HCS staff, whom we all refer to as the Cows, stopped in much earlier this year and invited us to help test out a new UI for the game. Since then jt^ stops in pretty often to chat and hoof has made appearances also. Things are reaching a culmination and today the new system is going live with an option of using the old version for a limited time. We don’t know what will happen to the alpha server but time will tell.

If you are lucky, and have questions or concerns or issues with the new UI you might just catch an HCS staff member visiting us in irc and be able to get a word in about it. No promises though. Bionic Bovine seems to have gone into a sulk because of thwarted flirtations or perhaps ignored overtures.

So mind your manners, and bring your best stomping boots because we expect to see things hopping and I for one would really rather not have to do some thumping of heads to go with it. If in doubt, check the MOTD for what the rules are, where to file your complaints or send your bribes. If you are new to our site then you should be reading the MOTD anyway because ignorance of the rules is no excuse.

-Zukira
Empress of Tentacles
Wielder of the Necronomicon
Mistress of Cats

]]> http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/11/alpha-fied-or-omg-the-new-ui-is-coming/feed/ 1 Congratulations to AttorraRu and Cheetya! http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/10/congratulations-to-attorraru-and-cheetya/ http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/10/congratulations-to-attorraru-and-cheetya/#comments Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:40:45 +0000 Zukira Phaera http://fallenswordirc.com/?p=459 Congratulations on the birth of your daughter!
From Cheetya’s Facebook we have the details:

“Isabella was born this Morning at 5:01am by Emergency Caesarian Section weighing 7lb 13oz. Mother and Child doing well, however they’ll be in Hospital for a few days for Recovery and Monitoring”

Congratulations, and best wishes and lots of love from all us!

]]> http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/10/congratulations-to-attorraru-and-cheetya/feed/ 0 The hamsters are escaping! http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/04/the-hamsters-are-escaping/ http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/04/the-hamsters-are-escaping/#comments Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:35:49 +0000 ZidaneT http://fallenswordirc.com/?p=450 Hi guys.

It turns out someone left the wire-cutters out and the hamsters have figured out how to use them and made a bid for freedom!  Don’t panic, we sent BionicBovine out to catch them and we even let her use the crossbow!

Tonight between midnight and 2am the servers are going to be upgraded, don’t panic, it won’t hurt.  fallenswordirc will, however, be going offline for about 10 minutes while our hosts move us over to some shiny new (and much more sparkly) servers.

don’t worry, we arn’t going to lose any accounts, it’ll just switch off, then back on again a few minutes later.  as usual, if you have any problems at all then drop us a line at support@fallenswordirc.com and we’ll get you killed fixed up.

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As some of you may know, one of our team, Zukira, is having an operation.  It seems that her tentacles have grown far too long and need to be trimmed back so she can manage to eat noob souls once more.  I’m sure i speak for all of us when I say get well soon, we miss you already!

on another completely unrelated note, we’re upgrading the site and services over this next week, so if anything funky happens, don’t panic, PonyT is to blame >:)

 

]]> http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/04/zuki-we-love-you/feed/ 0 Missed the live chat with Hoof? No problem! Read it here! http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/04/missed-the-live-chat-with-hoof-no-problem-read-it-here/ http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/04/missed-the-live-chat-with-hoof-no-problem-read-it-here/#comments Mon, 04 Apr 2011 01:53:01 +0000 narcosis angel http://fallenswordirc.com/?p=436 For those of you that were unfortunately not here for the live chat with hoofmaster. Here is a chance to read the whole chat start to finish and see what you missed and how things came about. Just click this link here for the logs.

]]> http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/04/missed-the-live-chat-with-hoof-no-problem-read-it-here/feed/ 0 GGT Round 4 is here! http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/02/ggt-round-4-is-here/ http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/02/ggt-round-4-is-here/#comments Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:26:34 +0000 Zukira Phaera http://fallenswordirc.com/?p=425 This round and one more to go and we’ve still got two IRC residents in the action. So why not drop by the voting thread and show your love to the artists who are still in the running. The theme this time around is Disney and Pixar movies.

GO go go! Check it out and encourage your guild members to go vote too.

-Z-
the tentacles demand it

]]> http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/02/ggt-round-4-is-here/feed/ 0 The Grand Graphics Tournament: Round 3 http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/02/the-grand-graphics-tournament-round-3/ http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/02/the-grand-graphics-tournament-round-3/#comments Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:47:34 +0000 Zukira Phaera http://fallenswordirc.com/?p=422 Yet again we’ve got two irc regulars competing in the tournament – having made it through the first two rounds already, they and the other artists are tackling the theme of space this time. The competition is tougher, the images more epic and the need for YOU to vote is still just as strong. So click this link and come show your support to the great artists of FallenSword.

You’ll need to vote for 1 entry in each of 4 groups, and supply a reason for the vote. Simply saying ‘I liked this one more’ is fine, though if you feel moved to say more you are strongly encouraged to do so.

Invite your guild members, your friends, heck even your enemies to come view the art and help choose who should make it through to the next round.

And I’d like to thank you, on behalf of both myself, and my fellow artists competing for taking the time to vote or promote the tournament.

]]> http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/02/the-grand-graphics-tournament-round-3/feed/ 0 The Grand Graphics Tournament Round 2 http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/01/the-grand-graphics-tournament-round-2/ http://fallenswordirc.com/2011/01/the-grand-graphics-tournament-round-2/#comments Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:48:23 +0000 Zukira Phaera http://fallenswordirc.com/?p=420 Round 2 of the tournament has begun with the artists who made it through from the first round tackling the theme of music for this round. Drop by the forum voting thread and cast your votes for which you think are the best in each category. If you could, also encourage your fellow guild members to cast their votes as well.

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