[2011-04-02 12:57:37] -->| Hoofmaster has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 12:57:40] Hoofmaster: hi [2011-04-02 12:57:42] hoof, welcome [2011-04-02 12:57:43] hes here!! [2011-04-02 12:57:43] =-= Mode #fallensword +o Hoofmaster by PonyT [2011-04-02 12:57:44] here he is [2011-04-02 12:57:44] Hi all [2011-04-02 12:57:48] Hi Hoofy :) [2011-04-02 12:57:48] hey hoofy [2011-04-02 12:57:49] Evening [2011-04-02 12:57:50] Hey big Hoofy [2011-04-02 12:57:50] howdy [2011-04-02 12:57:50] There he is [2011-04-02 12:57:50] hi Hoof :) [2011-04-02 12:57:51] Hi there [2011-04-02 12:57:53] =-= Guest97635 is now known as aa007 [2011-04-02 12:57:53] === *** NICK: User Guest97635 changed their nickname to aa007 [2011-04-02 12:57:54] I think I need a drink though. This rapic srolling hurts my eyes [2011-04-02 12:57:55] Hey there hoofykins [2011-04-02 12:57:57] ok time for me to leave [2011-04-02 12:57:58] HEy guys [2011-04-02 12:57:59] oh, hey doom [2011-04-02 12:57:59] =-= Hoofmaster is now known as Guest64354 [2011-04-02 12:57:59] === *** NICK: User Hoofmaster changed their nickname to Guest64354 [2011-04-02 12:57:59] Hi Hoof [2011-04-02 12:58:03] LOL? [2011-04-02 12:58:05] yay hoof. [2011-04-02 12:58:09] hey pony! only girls can call him hoofykins [2011-04-02 12:58:09] hah hoof got demoted [2011-04-02 12:58:10] this should be fun. [2011-04-02 12:58:11] Lol. Time to relog in [2011-04-02 12:58:13] can hoof have different coloure text? [2011-04-02 12:58:14] nu uh [2011-04-02 12:58:17] watch me! :P [2011-04-02 12:58:20] heya guys [2011-04-02 12:58:20] |<-- Guest69245 has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Baibai: fallenswordirc.com rocked my world!) [2011-04-02 12:58:21] lol [2011-04-02 12:58:24] I don't think I can [2011-04-02 12:58:24] hes now wearing his spy gears :) [2011-04-02 12:58:26] |<-- nubcake34 has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Client closed the connection) [2011-04-02 12:58:26] PB if you have a client that can make it so [2011-04-02 12:58:30] Left the building [2011-04-02 12:58:38] wow, nice load of people. [2011-04-02 12:58:39] im using whatever java loads on te site [2011-04-02 12:58:39] can u put hoof back to his name... [2011-04-02 12:58:42] Hoof, you having trouble identifying? [2011-04-02 12:58:51] -->| nubcake36 (fsircjava@FSIRC-4f27f33b.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 12:58:53] I think 30 seconds is a little too little :| [2011-04-02 12:58:54] 1 sec [2011-04-02 12:59:00] i've got the info here [2011-04-02 12:59:00] :) [2011-04-02 12:59:02] hi nubcake 36, please change your name to you in game name by typing /nick and then your in game name [2011-04-02 12:59:06] awesome [2011-04-02 12:59:10] * PonyT puts the shotgun down [2011-04-02 12:59:14] awesome possum [2011-04-02 12:59:19] **mitzi picks up shotgun** [2011-04-02 12:59:19] =-= nubcake36 is now known as starboy [2011-04-02 12:59:20] === *** NICK: User nubcake36 changed their nickname to starboy [2011-04-02 12:59:20] Good thing no one tries to impersonate ya anymore [2011-04-02 12:59:24] think we stomped that out XD [2011-04-02 12:59:26] =-= grendeldog is now known as Grendeldog [2011-04-02 12:59:26] === *** NICK: User grendeldog changed their nickname to Grendeldog [2011-04-02 12:59:27] heya guys [2011-04-02 12:59:27] lol [2011-04-02 12:59:28] thanks starboy [2011-04-02 12:59:37] hmm [2011-04-02 12:59:38] np cart [2011-04-02 12:59:41] like that [2011-04-02 12:59:42] SLOW DOWN!! [2011-04-02 12:59:46] ARGGH [2011-04-02 12:59:47] password is : iamTheGodofFallenswordAndIbringYouFire :p [2011-04-02 12:59:48] ok fixed :) [2011-04-02 12:59:53] ok [2011-04-02 12:59:56] hi hoofy! [2011-04-02 12:59:59] one sec till I get my music sorted out :D [2011-04-02 13:00:05] He he :D [2011-04-02 13:00:08] Moosic? [2011-04-02 13:00:09] nice, we have tiunes ! [2011-04-02 13:00:13] lol [2011-04-02 13:00:14] nice one Shardoom [2011-04-02 13:00:16] everyone needs to type slower for doom, he's getting too old [2011-04-02 13:00:19] moo moo black cow cant u make me milk... [2011-04-02 13:00:21] lol, are we that bad you need music to calm you down? =P [2011-04-02 13:00:30] doom has trouble reading and he doesn't have his glasses on. good thing we're typing and not talking. he can only read lips ya know. [2011-04-02 13:00:33] Quiet bry, you're making it worse lol [2011-04-02 13:00:39] ok soooo.... [2011-04-02 13:00:40] ye [2011-04-02 13:00:40] O.o [2011-04-02 13:00:43] Shardoom: story of my life [2011-04-02 13:00:46] I've been reading through the thread so far [2011-04-02 13:00:47] hoofy whats the update later? [2011-04-02 13:00:50] i have trouble reading...but mostly due to being slightly intoxicated [2011-04-02 13:00:52] pvp tymmm [2011-04-02 13:00:53] Guys [2011-04-02 13:00:54] ;) [2011-04-02 13:00:56] update is to prepare for some work next week [2011-04-02 13:00:56] let him speak a bit [2011-04-02 13:00:59] Lets calm down. [2011-04-02 13:01:01] ok. thanks. =) [2011-04-02 13:01:04] we're starting a large ad campaign very soon :) [2011-04-02 13:01:05] * RD raids mae's beer fridge [2011-04-02 13:01:11] :D [2011-04-02 13:01:15] Mojawk and I were down in London [2011-04-02 13:01:17] This's going to fast [2011-04-02 13:01:17] -->| ankhanu (ankhanu@FSIRC-03f0eaa8.eastlink.ca) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:01:19] Woot! ad campaign! lol [2011-04-02 13:01:21] ive seen ads on armorgames i think [2011-04-02 13:01:21] Hoofmaster: game goes down a lot :S [2011-04-02 13:01:24] looking to work with a new company [2011-04-02 13:01:27] to help promote the game :) [2011-04-02 13:01:27] cool do you want posters put up [2011-04-02 13:01:28] Thats great to here, a way to get them.. We need to make it appealing for them to stay too! [2011-04-02 13:01:30] Garsak, zip it please :) [2011-04-02 13:01:37] hello FSIRC [2011-04-02 13:01:41] Darkscream: (L) u [2011-04-02 13:01:44] sounds good :) [2011-04-02 13:01:45] better promote it for all the work you did adding to it :) [2011-04-02 13:01:46] ok anyways... [2011-04-02 13:01:46] Yo ankh :) [2011-04-02 13:01:48] -->| nubcake29 (fsircjava@FSIRC-9e8c5953.net.t-com.hr) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:01:53] so [2011-04-02 13:01:59] all internet based Hoof? [2011-04-02 13:02:02] it looks as if the opt-in is quite popular [2011-04-02 13:02:04] Can we have that mod thing happen now so we can see what Hoof is saying? [2011-04-02 13:02:06] PB: Yeah :) [2011-04-02 13:02:10] (Unfortunatly...) [2011-04-02 13:02:14] |<-- starboy has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Client closed the connection) [2011-04-02 13:02:15] Hoof you ok with that? [2011-04-02 13:02:21] PonyT: sure [2011-04-02 13:02:25] Ok guys [2011-04-02 13:02:26] if you mute for like 1 min [2011-04-02 13:02:26] how will i be able to ask questions? [2011-04-02 13:02:30] =-= Maehros is now known as maehdros [2011-04-02 13:02:30] === *** NICK: User Maehros changed their nickname to maehdros [2011-04-02 13:02:30] the opt-in will kill the BB [2011-04-02 13:02:33] =-= Mode #fallensword +m by PonyT [2011-04-02 13:02:37] Ok so... [2011-04-02 13:02:39] FLoor is yours hoof [2011-04-02 13:02:40] -->| starboy (fsircjava@FSIRC-4f27f33b.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:02:44] Everyone wants to ask questions [2011-04-02 13:02:46] and that is cool [2011-04-02 13:02:52] but we need to keep it structured :)_ [2011-04-02 13:02:53] so... [2011-04-02 13:03:01] Lets cover one thing at a time [2011-04-02 13:03:06] =-= aa007 is now known as aa0007 [2011-04-02 13:03:06] === *** NICK: User aa007 changed their nickname to aa0007 [2011-04-02 13:03:08] then we can all have questions after if that is cool? :) [2011-04-02 13:03:12] so... [2011-04-02 13:03:14] |<-- maehdros has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Baibai: fallenswordirc.com rocked my world!) [2011-04-02 13:03:18] First thing is the opt-in of course [2011-04-02 13:03:43] The poll suggests its popular, but I want to hear why you are opposed to it (if you are) [2011-04-02 13:03:47] and [2011-04-02 13:03:57] what you would like to see different to make it work for you. [2011-04-02 13:03:59] The thing is... [2011-04-02 13:04:02] there needs to be a balance [2011-04-02 13:04:05] =-= Maehros is now known as Maehdros [2011-04-02 13:04:05] === *** NICK: User Maehros changed their nickname to Maehdros [2011-04-02 13:04:06] as with any MMO [2011-04-02 13:04:13] the MAJORITY of players are only interested in PvE [2011-04-02 13:04:18] whereas the more 'hardcore' players [2011-04-02 13:04:24] are more interested in the PvP elements of the game [2011-04-02 13:04:30] so please keep that in mind [2011-04-02 13:04:40] we can't make EVERYONE happy [2011-04-02 13:04:52] but our aim is to make the game as fun as possible so everyone who plays it [2011-04-02 13:04:55] so... [2011-04-02 13:05:11] -->| nubcake08 (fsircjava@FSIRC-65fa6a37.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:05:12] What are you reasons for not liking the opt-in and what would you do differently. [2011-04-02 13:05:17] (unmute plz Pony :) ) [2011-04-02 13:05:33] =-= Mode #fallensword -m by ZidaneT [2011-04-02 13:05:34] what is the opt in again? maybe a forum link so I can see. [2011-04-02 13:05:38] * ZidaneT staggers around [2011-04-02 13:05:39] An Opt-out of XP/Gold Loss PvP to anyone with rating below 1000.. You first have to be hit to be safe... :S Loose that privelage once reset ofcourse [2011-04-02 13:05:39] Thanks Zidane [2011-04-02 13:05:43] * ZidaneT licks [2011-04-02 13:05:45] http://forum.fallensword.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=102148 [2011-04-02 13:05:45] lol zid you're in no shape :P [2011-04-02 13:05:49] -->| ColdSpawn (IceChat7@FSIRC-5ec6298d.hr.cox.net) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:05:50] thanks hoof [2011-04-02 13:05:58] opt in and out can be a good thing if it cannot be used as a light switch, there should be a time frame, ie can;t alternate ladders opting in and out [2011-04-02 13:06:18] |<-- starboy has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Baibai: fallenswordirc.com rocked my world!) [2011-04-02 13:06:24] My question is the bounty board an opt in auto? [2011-04-02 13:06:30] RD: You would only be able to opt-in / out of the NEXT PvP Ladder [2011-04-02 13:06:31] or make it expensive to swicth like level up points [2011-04-02 13:06:33] Possibly every two ladders? So if you opt out, then you would skip the current ladder, skip the next ladder, and be reinstated in the one after that, should you choose to opt-in [2011-04-02 13:06:37] hmm Hoofmaster I dont think I like it. [2011-04-02 13:06:42] could we do something where you may only be hit once per reset or other timeframe unless you pvp? [2011-04-02 13:06:46] hi nubcake 46, please change your name to you in game name by typing /nick and then your in game name [2011-04-02 13:06:48] opt-in will kill the BB and the Ladder as well [2011-04-02 13:06:54] |<-- nubcake29 has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Baibai: fallenswordirc.com rocked my world!) [2011-04-02 13:06:55] -->| Anemie (fsircjava@FSIRC-9e8c5953.net.t-com.hr) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:06:56] Mateteur: why? [2011-04-02 13:07:06] so i can pound everyone in a ladder range 1 day, wait for reset and opt out and no can hit me for pvp ponts, then i can opt in again the next reset? [2011-04-02 13:07:21] RD, thats why Im suggesting a bigger delay. [2011-04-02 13:07:23] because pvpers will be forced to hit each other instead lvlers :) [2011-04-02 13:07:25] We didnt have this problem before PvP rewards, now people just see FSPs! And hit anyone, before it was 99% of the time only you hel gold you got hit. [2011-04-02 13:07:35] this seems fair to all, players dont get hit more than reasonable expectations in a pvp game and pvpers still can hit anyone [2011-04-02 13:07:44] Hoof if you keep an opt in ladder you will essentially removing a lot of targets thus killing the ladder.Not that I have ever participated in it but still you are ruining a part of game that is fun for some people. [2011-04-02 13:07:55] RD: but you would be opted-in for the whole duration of the ladder [2011-04-02 13:07:59] -->| nubcake61 (fsircjava@67970F.2360AE.ACBD62.FE3F70) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:08:02] RD: until the next reset [2011-04-02 13:08:05] nubcake46, this is you last warning. Please use /nick to change your nick to your in game name [2011-04-02 13:08:06] RD: you can't opt-out half way through [2011-04-02 13:08:24] Hoofmaster: Why dont you leave it as it is? [2011-04-02 13:08:25] cuz depending on the band you are, we'll be like 3-4 players that want to be in the PvP ladder, well in the higher band [2011-04-02 13:08:25] So basically if you're in or out at reset is where you stay? [2011-04-02 13:08:29] Spaz2: How do you mean? [2011-04-02 13:08:29] about the targets - the targets will remain the same, for the most part. All the people that want to compete for the ladder will opt - in [2011-04-02 13:08:35] -->| nubcake77 (fsircjava@FSIRC-ed4fa07f.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:08:35] could we have a setting to automatically choose the opt-out? [2011-04-02 13:08:49] On the contrary. i believe since inside the ladder there will be only ppl that are focused on gaining ratings, the ladder will be more alive than ever. also, i think everyone in the ladder should be able to attack everyone in it. even if they are in the same guild. [2011-04-02 13:08:53] the only difference is that the rating will just be gained/lost from/to pvpers [2011-04-02 13:08:56] yea, start as opted out and have to hit to be in, BUT Then who will start it? if everyone is out [2011-04-02 13:08:57] -->| Mirage646 (fsircjava@FSIRC-e1befd89.ph.cox.net) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:09:00] PonyT: You can only opt-in / out of the NEXT PvP Ladder [2011-04-02 13:09:02] and usually, those who bounty are the levellers [2011-04-02 13:09:06] I'm confused as to why this recent change was made tbh. I understand opening up the hit-range to 50 so people can compete with each other on the ladder. But to open it up completely? Wasn't it already difficult enough to escape from an attacker by levelling up already? [2011-04-02 13:09:07] Oh gotcha [2011-04-02 13:09:09] so 2 days max? then i can alternate chosing if and when i want to be a target? it hink if we are going to make a seperation if you are opted in you are in, if opted out yuo are out, of course you can change that, but shouldn;t be able to be changed often. [2011-04-02 13:09:10] =-= nubcake77 is now known as sust [2011-04-02 13:09:10] === *** NICK: User nubcake77 changed their nickname to sust [2011-04-02 13:09:10] That sounds good [2011-04-02 13:09:11] PonyT: You won't be able to opt in/out half way through :) [2011-04-02 13:09:15] :D [2011-04-02 13:09:20] thanks rust [2011-04-02 13:09:22] derp [2011-04-02 13:09:24] Or, make the PvP protection cheaper, and only mean PvP points are protected, maybe XP too. But not gold. [2011-04-02 13:09:27] the ladder would be thinned out, allowing people to change in and out like changing a hat would further limit targets [2011-04-02 13:09:34] evenin [2011-04-02 13:09:35] =-= Mode #fallensword +o Guest59076 by BionicBovine [2011-04-02 13:09:35] Gold should fall under PvP [2011-04-02 13:09:36] I must admit, I quite like the sounds of it :) [2011-04-02 13:09:39] Hoof: people are wanting an opt-out but don't want to be paying huge amount of FSP each month/week/day.. Having a below 1000 rating no C [2011-04-02 13:09:43] =-= hcs^jt was booted from #fallensword by Guest59076 (Kick!) [2011-04-02 13:09:48] save gold! i be merchant :) [2011-04-02 13:09:50] Iliked how it was but see the PvE point, so if you could only hit once a week for anything gold exp and rating, would that make those players happyer? [2011-04-02 13:09:52] -->| hcs^jt (JT@16D053.ECE8EF.5059D3.7B19E8) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:09:54] =-= Guest59076 is now known as ^jt [2011-04-02 13:09:54] === *** NICK: User Guest59076 changed their nickname to ^jt [2011-04-02 13:09:57] I was thinking that it should be: No XP taken, no rating taken, i didnt want to be able to take XP from anyone in my band, i simply wanted to get rating only from people with +/- 10 levels difference with me. We should be able to get rating from people with more than 10 levels difference only if they have a rating of more than 1000. [2011-04-02 13:10:00] Spaz2: The rating would be irrelevant [2011-04-02 13:10:07] Well hoof I have a suggestion [2011-04-02 13:10:08] XP/Gold loss no one can be 100 stammed more than ocne per 24-48 hours [2011-04-02 13:10:10] this is a bit of a long shot too [2011-04-02 13:10:11] <^jt> Blergh [2011-04-02 13:10:13] Hey JT [2011-04-02 13:10:17] whens the beta version going live on all servers? [2011-04-02 13:10:22] but what if we set it up to have different KINDS of hits? [2011-04-02 13:10:27] if ^Jt is jt, then who is HCS^JT? [2011-04-02 13:10:28] -->| Hallowed1 (fsircjava@FSIRC-917ea49f.dsl.nctc.com) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:10:33] say when you beat them you have to CHOOSE, rob them, kill them, slap em, or whatever [2011-04-02 13:10:36] Mirage: please keep to the topic - we can talk about that after :) [2011-04-02 13:10:39] and each will do soemthing different [2011-04-02 13:10:40] This discussion is going to fast, there should be just one question/sugestion at a time [2011-04-02 13:10:40] <^jt> aa0007, hcs is the work computer [2011-04-02 13:10:44] remember [2011-04-02 13:10:45] ah, alright. [2011-04-02 13:10:50] rather than choosing to be protected in bands [2011-04-02 13:10:51] ok hoof [2011-04-02 13:10:57] This doesn't affect normal PvP [2011-04-02 13:11:08] you will still be able to hit anyone +/- 10 for gold/xp [2011-04-02 13:11:10] oh? [2011-04-02 13:11:18] Unless your below level 210? [2011-04-02 13:11:24] so, this is what I'm thinking: [2011-04-02 13:11:24] Spaz: yeah [2011-04-02 13:11:26] has cheaper opt out been discussed? [2011-04-02 13:11:28] Spaz: then its +/- 5 [2011-04-02 13:11:31] when you're opted out, you can't hit anyone but the BB. [2011-04-02 13:11:36] people will sell or trade their rating [2011-04-02 13:11:37] sust: different topic [2011-04-02 13:11:41] i have not done any pvp in the game yet but i would like to say if i just want to level i should be able to i don't want to get smacked everytime somebody else feels like it and 200fsp a month for opt out is a lot for some people [2011-04-02 13:11:42] sust: we can discuss tho [2011-04-02 13:11:43] k [2011-04-02 13:11:44] Alright hoof. Please tell me what happens if only one person in the entire ladder opts in? Does he get the #1 position without hitting anyone? [2011-04-02 13:11:53] -->| talalm (fsircjava@FSIRC-b6382a4c.orangehomedsl.co.uk) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:11:53] So will it still protect gold? [2011-04-02 13:11:54] Going from 5, to 10, to 50 back to 5 is going to be... Weird. [2011-04-02 13:11:58] When you're opted in, you can hit anyone on your ladder for rating, and ANYONE in +/- 10 for gold/xp. [2011-04-02 13:12:08] if you buy protection then it should protect you period [2011-04-02 13:12:12] This is going way too fast :S [2011-04-02 13:12:13] aa0007: if you are opt-ed out of the ladder, you CAN hit people for xp / gold [2011-04-02 13:12:20] aa0007: but only within the 10 level range [2011-04-02 13:12:24] ooooh [2011-04-02 13:12:25] good point hushhhl [2011-04-02 13:12:28] hoof: have you guys at HCS ever consider removing tokens, and putting the resources inside the scavengering caves. Turn the PvP ladder into the way it used to be? work hard jsut for rating, for honor, not for the items/fsp [2011-04-02 13:12:29] That makes sense now hoof [2011-04-02 13:12:48] mit: we can discuss after this one :) [2011-04-02 13:12:53] This only blew up once PvP rewards were added to the game. [2011-04-02 13:12:59] idd [2011-04-02 13:13:03] Yep [2011-04-02 13:13:04] I suppose that'll work, since this is only a rating opt-out [2011-04-02 13:13:10] Right, so the 50 level range is purely for rating? +-10 for gold/exp no matter what? [2011-04-02 13:13:15] Everyone is so used to having a -/+10 range and im not sure I have seen coplaints about that.. maybe a poll for lv210 and below if they want it to go back to 5 or 10.. as its what we are not used to :/ [2011-04-02 13:13:22] Shardoom: well... [2011-04-02 13:13:23] Sorry I am late. My computers systems picked this up as a virus all the sudden. oh well [2011-04-02 13:13:23] I like that [2011-04-02 13:13:35] If you opt out you can only regular PvP [2011-04-02 13:13:36] now used to* sorry [2011-04-02 13:13:40] Shardoom: if you are opted-in, you will be able to take gold/xp/rating from anywhere in the band [2011-04-02 13:13:46] Shardoom: as it is at the moment [2011-04-02 13:13:48] Shardoom: BUT [2011-04-02 13:13:49] would it mean you can't be hit by the PvPers who opted in? [2011-04-02 13:13:55] Shardoom: only from other players who are opted - in [2011-04-02 13:13:58] hello guys :D [2011-04-02 13:14:03] oh he just answered it [2011-04-02 13:14:04] Will people who have opted out still be able to be attacked for rating? [2011-04-02 13:14:07] hey talalm [2011-04-02 13:14:14] wait,,if you opt out you can still regular pvp?? [2011-04-02 13:14:23] Gotcha, so the extended range is only applied to those that opt-in. Thats not so bad. [2011-04-02 13:14:24] hi anemie :D [2011-04-02 13:14:25] Grendeldog: of course :) [2011-04-02 13:14:25] Can people who opt out still hit for xp/gold? [2011-04-02 13:14:27] seems opting out only restricts you to regular PvP [2011-04-02 13:14:28] Sounds really good Hoof, I like :) [2011-04-02 13:14:31] From those opted OUT but within -/+ 5/10 we get? what [2011-04-02 13:14:33] seems you have to get protection for complete safeness [2011-04-02 13:14:37] Shardoom: exactly [2011-04-02 13:14:42] So we are all dicscussing the ladder?? [2011-04-02 13:14:44] -->| fairpvp (fsircjava@FSIRC-b4e4e13b.ph.cox.net) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:14:45] Spaz2: gold/xp [2011-04-02 13:14:50] Spaz2: just not rating [2011-04-02 13:14:55] looks that way gren, and i dissagree, ladder targets are going to be narrowed, i think if you have pvp'd either for pvp points, gold, exp or what ever you should be concidered a pvp target [2011-04-02 13:14:57] talalm: yup :) [2011-04-02 13:14:58] SOunds good to me. Don't notice anything that stands out as bad [2011-04-02 13:14:59] So with the new ladder..If I am opted in,i only gain rating fromothers opted in.. correct? [2011-04-02 13:15:08] Show them whos boss with XP loss, I can live with that I guess, [2011-04-02 13:15:08] Maeh: yes [2011-04-02 13:15:12] well it would be harder RD [2011-04-02 13:15:14] I'd suggest striping all gold/xp/stamina use in the ladder just pvp for the rating! will make sure many people fight each other for first spot! [2011-04-02 13:15:17] a better challenge i think [2011-04-02 13:15:18] So hoof, you say disscuss it later? Does that mean you may use it to change the ladder? [2011-04-02 13:15:24] There would be fewer targets sure [2011-04-02 13:15:25] but [2011-04-02 13:15:26] but those opted in can hit anyone in the +/- 10 range for gold/xp, as can those opted out, yes? [2011-04-02 13:15:28] im sorry I disagree [2011-04-02 13:15:32] it would be targets are are interested in PvP [2011-04-02 13:15:35] ie. [2011-04-02 13:15:36] What if-you could hit players inside your +-10 for gold,rating,xp-and through the whole ladder if they have more than 1100 rating--this probably sounds ok only in my head... [2011-04-02 13:15:37] less farming [2011-04-02 13:15:39] Will there be a price to opt in? [2011-04-02 13:15:42] Stop talking so fast guys lol [2011-04-02 13:15:43] |<-- Mirage646 has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Baibai: fallenswordirc.com rocked my world!) [2011-04-02 13:15:44] oooh [2011-04-02 13:15:46] fee to fight [2011-04-02 13:15:46] then why allow targets to opt out frequently ? [2011-04-02 13:15:47] love it [2011-04-02 13:15:49] Hallow: no [2011-04-02 13:15:52] thanks [2011-04-02 13:15:55] damn [2011-04-02 13:15:58] -->| orionson (fsircjava@FSIRC-85b28bc0.chcgil.ameritech.net) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:16:00] thought that would have been cool [2011-04-02 13:16:03] it becomes a ,,,body part measuring contest for tokens [2011-04-02 13:16:11] If I attacked someone who is opted out, in my range ofcourse but I lost.. How would that affect my rating.. They are unable to gain but will I loose some? (I say we should...) [2011-04-02 13:16:13] Isn't that how it is? XD [2011-04-02 13:16:16] Grendeldog: how do you mean? [2011-04-02 13:16:29] Spaz2: it wouldn't affect your rating [2011-04-02 13:16:38] Spaz2: as it wouldn't be relevant for that combat [2011-04-02 13:16:42] I think we have a general consensus that the system proposed is fine? [2011-04-02 13:16:45] which is fine with me,,but people already get upset when it goes into hardcore pvp [2011-04-02 13:16:46] Yea [2011-04-02 13:16:48] I've always thought.. of rating, not resetting.. and having open gold, xp loss in brackets..(with a modifier) over time..those who dont pvp..wont have any rating.. worth being hit for..BUT can still be hit for gold..etc [2011-04-02 13:16:48] -->| nubcake57 (fsircjava@FSIRC-203c5844.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:16:49] is gvg on the agenda for tonight? [2011-04-02 13:16:51] |<-- nubcake57 has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Baibai: fallenswordirc.com rocked my world!) [2011-04-02 13:16:57] sust: nope [2011-04-02 13:16:58] The system preposed is in fact fine under my opinion [2011-04-02 13:17:00] |<-- orionson has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Client closed the connection) [2011-04-02 13:17:01] We just need to discuss the opt-out time now. IE, how many ladders you must skip. [2011-04-02 13:17:15] aa: it was goign to apply to the NEXT ladder [2011-04-02 13:17:17] Even so, loosing to someone that doesnt want to nesacerly PvP should have more than XP loss consequence. Just my view though ofcourse. [2011-04-02 13:17:23] aa: and stay the same unless you change it [2011-04-02 13:17:28] I think the current Idea is great [2011-04-02 13:17:31] -->| littledog9 (fsircjava@FSIRC-bebe3ce7.ard.bellsouth.net) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:17:33] just so there's no flip flopping? [2011-04-02 13:17:42] You have to think ahead if you want to do PvP [2011-04-02 13:17:43] I like the system proposed. but i also think it may be too simple for PvPers... They could easily farm the rating with it if this happens [2011-04-02 13:17:45] and you can't chicken out [2011-04-02 13:17:46] Alright, that seems fair. Once you change your opt-out preference, you have to wait for the next ladder for it to apply then, right? [2011-04-02 13:17:47] please keep it the same [2011-04-02 13:17:48] I think as long as people don't get farmed things can only get better [2011-04-02 13:17:49] or jump in cause the ladder is slow [2011-04-02 13:17:58] what if only one or two players are opt-in in a band? [2011-04-02 13:18:02] that does not at all seem fair to me at all [2011-04-02 13:18:05] once you choose it makes you that for the next ladder [2011-04-02 13:18:05] -->| orionson (fsircjava@FSIRC-85b28bc0.chcgil.ameritech.net) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:18:12] |<-- orionson has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Client closed the connection) [2011-04-02 13:18:13] i understand it that you can't just opt in in the middle of a ladder. [2011-04-02 13:18:13] How it will be inplemented in game ? As an option to check/decheck ? [2011-04-02 13:18:14] Xou: you could never affect the current ladder [2011-04-02 13:18:15] Why? everyone who wants to duke it out will get to [2011-04-02 13:18:19] Hoof is there any possibility of the 'protection' price ever being lowered? There are a lot of people that would like to use it but, either the price is too high, or the very fact they have to spend so much to be 'protected' leaves a pretty sour taste in their mouths. [2011-04-02 13:18:21] Xou: as you can only opt in/out of the next one [2011-04-02 13:18:29] I think all players in FS should be able to be attacked- sa mitzi 86 said pvpers would be easily farmed.. [2011-04-02 13:18:32] repeated hits. are what bother people.. every 2 days being hit..constantly..for rating. I understan their frustration.. most times they are hit since the rating..resets an they have 1000 again [2011-04-02 13:18:34] Shardoom: we can talk about that soon :) [2011-04-02 13:18:37] So the opt-in is ONLY for PvP points? [2011-04-02 13:18:43] Shardoom: I'm not opposed to it :) [2011-04-02 13:18:47] PB: yes [2011-04-02 13:18:55] Cool. [2011-04-02 13:19:02] rating..insnt earned..as per its gotten via risk. sometimes big risk..sometimes none at all..but with xp loss. [2011-04-02 13:19:05] ok, well the points are 99% not won by real PvPers so OK. [2011-04-02 13:19:10] attacked for fun yes but for ratings/xp/gold excessively will always cause probs imo [2011-04-02 13:19:18] I would be opposed to having the protection price lowered. [2011-04-02 13:19:18] that is good then [2011-04-02 13:19:19] |<-- Incognito has left irc.fallenswordirc.com (Baibai: fallenswordirc.com rocked my world!) [2011-04-02 13:19:20] we need a fair system. Not easily abused [2011-04-02 13:19:22] agrees with maehdros,,,limit bunny hitting [2011-04-02 13:19:23] so we can do regular PvP [2011-04-02 13:19:24] pony no, lets see this sceneraio, i want to play the ladder 1 time, i see it is 4 hours from reset maximum, i opt into the ladder, i hit everyone and take first place, i then opt out and know one can gain from me at all, 2 days later i do the same thing, rince and repeat [2011-04-02 13:19:28] hoof: what would happen if there are 2 players opted into a ladder? [2011-04-02 13:19:38] We want the PvP Points to go to players who work hard at PvP [2011-04-02 13:19:39] bunnys hate repeted pvp [2011-04-02 13:19:44] not who can FARM the most inactive players [2011-04-02 13:19:46] or levelers [2011-04-02 13:19:48] agreed hoof [2011-04-02 13:19:51] how is that unfair? [2011-04-02 13:19:56] You have to stick the ladder through [2011-04-02 13:19:56] The up coming update, is it going to be changing the current PvP system into what has been propsed earlier today.. or somthing else? [2011-04-02 13:20:01] once reset happens everyone has a clean slate [2011-04-02 13:20:06] true that,,and 48 hours is helping a lot! [2011-04-02 13:20:12] Spaz2: its to prepare the game for a future update [2011-04-02 13:20:13] it's great having a ladder for the harcore pvp'ers they will love, an opt out for those who dislike too, both sides get satisfied [2011-04-02 13:20:22] yes i opt out and take myself away from the target pool and only limit myself to risk when i want to [2011-04-02 13:20:22] Make the ladder not reset at ..30 every time [2011-04-02 13:20:24] sust: that's what I think [2011-04-02 13:20:25] i agree with sust [2011-04-02 13:20:28] so? [2011-04-02 13:20:31] cool [2011-04-02 13:20:34] PB: we can adjust the reset times :) [2011-04-02 13:20:35] should be you are opted in, you are in, you are out you are out [2011-04-02 13:20:40] goo! [2011-04-02 13:20:41] Will we still keep PvP Bands? [2011-04-02 13:20:42] means you're not on the next ladder oh well big woop [2011-04-02 13:20:44] good! [2011-04-02 13:20:45] tal: yes [2011-04-02 13:20:49] Pvp against levelers should stay or levelers never meet anyone but guildmates and buffers. But it shpouldn't make them hate everyone they meet like it tends to now. [2011-04-02 13:20:50] So... [2011-04-02 13:20:53] and you are not a target either pony [2011-04-02 13:20:56] what if only one or two players are opt-in in a band? [2011-04-02 13:20:58] Will you make the PvP bands larger ranges? [2011-04-02 13:21:01] doesn't anyone strongly disagree with the opt-in/out now? [2011-04-02 13:21:02] so? [2011-04-02 13:21:05] Your point? [2011-04-02 13:21:07] Nope [2011-04-02 13:21:10] no [2011-04-02 13:21:13] i like it [2011-04-02 13:21:14] does sorry [2011-04-02 13:21:16] hoof, I'm perfectly happy with it. [2011-04-02 13:21:16] Perhaps have the opt-out last for a specific amount of time? Ie, everyone is opted in, you have to choose to opt out. However once you do, you cannot opt back in for 7 days or so? [2011-04-02 13:21:19] not strongly,,,slightly [2011-04-02 13:21:20] yes and no, no in it's sense, yes to the way people can opt in and out [2011-04-02 13:21:22] I strongly agree. [2011-04-02 13:21:22] I'm going to miss knowing its at :30 but will come very much in my favour too :D [2011-04-02 13:21:24] I like it [2011-04-02 13:21:29] I think it's cool Hoof :) [2011-04-02 13:21:31] only PvP points, are fine. [2011-04-02 13:21:34] a 7 day lock out sound a good idea [2011-04-02 13:21:34] doom - the opt-out preference that you have set will last until the next ladder. [2011-04-02 13:21:43] but thats up for discussion :D [2011-04-02 13:21:44] No opt-in/opt-out is great as described, was proposed by levelers and PvPers long ago. [2011-04-02 13:21:45] What if you level up past your ladder bracket after you opt in ? Will that be an auto opt out? [2011-04-02 13:21:50] having 3 people in a bracket hitting one another for rating... with no risk.. ( since most know one another) is slightly meh [2011-04-02 13:21:50] would stop people duckig in and taking advantage [2011-04-02 13:22:06] it makes it to where levels can atleast not worry about annoying PvP just for rating [2011-04-02 13:22:08] Maeh: why no risk? [2011-04-02 13:22:12] good point hallow [2011-04-02 13:22:13] Maeh: there will be gold and xp lass [2011-04-02 13:22:14] can you opt out of rating loss on bountys? it adds a extra punishment the victims seem to love and will keep the board more active [2011-04-02 13:22:14] loss [2011-04-02 13:22:17] across the whole band [2011-04-02 13:22:17] they just have to worry bout the ones where they need the hit lol [2011-04-02 13:22:25] Maehdros, what if you had to acchieve a set minimum rating (1300 ?) to get any tokens at all? [2011-04-02 13:22:26] most ladders as you go higher.. pvprs know one another. only a few willopt into a ladder [2011-04-02 13:22:27] otherwise, somebody at the top of a band can hit and hit and then level out of the band [2011-04-02 13:22:34] i say if you want to opt out you are opted out for 2 weeks, if you are opted in you are opted in until you take yourself out, and then you are out for 14 days [2011-04-02 13:22:36] no bounties.. etc [2011-04-02 13:22:37] if people can opt in and out at will, they will take advantage [2011-04-02 13:22:39] I know a player gonna leave the game cuz of getting afew 100 stams... i guess u shouldnt ignore this ppl... if they cant fight for pvp then they should have some option to avoid pvp... but pvp protection shouldnt save the gold too ! [2011-04-02 13:22:43] After hearing it with a little more detail and sence, it doesnt should that bad now. Although I would prefer to keep it at a -/+10 range for those under 210... Lack of targets will be lower that what ther are now with the additionl opted out reducting further rating able to tranfer.. [2011-04-02 13:23:02] IF it was 10 and not 5 I think I would change my NO! to a sure.. lol [2011-04-02 13:23:05] Maehdros, thats actually better than now in some brackets though. As now, allies sometimes refuse to hit ech other so it's the same people at the top of ladders, however they only hit those that don't want to partake. Having the rating come from only those that want to partake would be an improvement I think? [2011-04-02 13:23:08] gold hits.. will happen...but thats how many true pvprs wanted to get rating.. you got some gold..xp and rating.. you lost levels.(possibly) for it [2011-04-02 13:23:09] and being at the bottom of a new band, the reduction won't take as much. [2011-04-02 13:23:14] we don;t want ladders with 2 or 3 targets in them, will be silly [2011-04-02 13:23:31] i agree doom, just trying to find amiddle ground ;) [2011-04-02 13:23:34] one sec [2011-04-02 13:23:40] just gonna post news to remind people about this :) [2011-04-02 13:23:43] I personally am a lvler. I just dislike being constantly attacked 100stam by someone who just dislikes my pic. It has happened before. Several times it has been attacks on my guild because they dislike us even trying. [2011-04-02 13:23:54] so what about people who 'opt in' cos they see an easy target, then opt out, has that been considered [2011-04-02 13:23:58] say level 700 - 749 has 28 opted in people, these same people have to re opt in every ladder reset, only making them selves a target when it is most convenient for them ? [2011-04-02 13:24:08] So? [2011-04-02 13:24:10] that is the point RD [2011-04-02 13:24:14] it's not doing anyone any harm [2011-04-02 13:24:23] just the game and the ladder imo [2011-04-02 13:24:24] if they opt in then they have to tough it out whole ladder[2011-04-02 13:24:29] Opt-in should be anyone who PvPs. Peopleg get rating at first by hitting those in their +/-10 range at full risk, then can get it off anyone else who has done so within their bracket. [2011-04-02 13:24:30] if they are out, then they have to wait [2011-04-02 13:24:34] they can't just jmp in [2011-04-02 13:24:36] whole ladder till the next reset? [2011-04-02 13:24:41] But hoof still hasent answered what happens when 2 people are opted into an intire band? [2011-04-02 13:24:41] you would be stuck at opt-in for that current ladder. [2011-04-02 13:24:48] i see, sounds fair [2011-04-02 13:24:57] Very corret Fairpvp [2011-04-02 13:24:58] could rating loss happen ascoss levels in bountys again? This would help please posters more [2011-04-02 13:24:59] maybe only reducing the XP taken would makes everyone happy (I'm not talking about the BB) [2011-04-02 13:25:10] Mitz: it would end up being two people attacking eachother. Why have a special rule [2011-04-02 13:25:11] -->| Command1424 (fsircjava@FSIRC-6cad2f93.slkc.qwest.net) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:25:12] so i log in 28 hours after ladder reset i can just opt in? and then say i want some ofthis? [2011-04-02 13:25:16] -->| Chazz (fsircjava@FSIRC-bf17dbd2.res.rr.com) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:25:28] no RD [2011-04-02 13:25:29] Hello [2011-04-02 13:25:29] no [2011-04-02 13:25:30] RD [2011-04-02 13:25:32] You only have the option to opt in opt out of next ladder [2011-04-02 13:25:34] when you opt in or out [2011-04-02 13:25:35] One thing, slightly offtopic.. but still..players opting into the ladder then locking xp [2011-04-02 13:25:35] no RD. when you opt in, your settins apply on the next ladder. [2011-04-02 13:25:38] it's for the NEXT ladder [2011-04-02 13:25:38] can the rest be 00 instaed of 30? [2011-04-02 13:25:39] has to be fixed [2011-04-02 13:25:40] not the one your on [2011-04-02 13:25:41] yeah [2011-04-02 13:25:43] one issus is [2011-04-02 13:25:44] issue [2011-04-02 13:25:45] talalm, that is to be discussed later. [2011-04-02 13:25:46] just a thought, but I have noticed that the same people tend to dominate the ladder every reset...is there any way to ensure that others have a chance to win the ladder? [2011-04-02 13:25:47] but would those 2 be automatically at the top of the ladder that reset? (i think they should be) and no 3rd place. [2011-04-02 13:25:48] Sendicard : i just think it would be bad, due to the fact that they could literly farm each other for PvP points and make a great profit off it... abusing the system [2011-04-02 13:25:52] is lack of players in a band [2011-04-02 13:25:54] so am i opted in for all ladders once i opt in ? [2011-04-02 13:26:01] how would you feel about the band sizes being increased? [2011-04-02 13:26:03] -->| nubcake27 (fsircjava@FSIRC-203c5844.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #fallensword [2011-04-02 13:26:03] Tokens should never be awarded for sero effort. Someone on ladder witrh 1001 rating doesn't deserve a token, neither does someone with 1100 IMO. [2011-04-02 13:26:04] talalm alot of other stuff happens at 00, I imagine the :30 resets are to offset some of the lag [2011-04-02 13:26:05] =-= cyrus7_ is now known as cyrus7 [2011-04-02 13:26:06] no, just the next one RD [2011-04-02 13:26:08] Hello... I just posted in forum a few times... Why is gold hitting level affected if all of this is about pvp rating [2011-04-02 13:26:11] yes please [2011-04-02 13:26:12] hoof - the bands shouldn't be increased. [2011-04-02 13:26:12] There is more than enough for me to deal with in the 100-149 :D [2011-04-02 13:26:13] If there are only 2 people opted in for a bracket, then it would be unfortunate. However it would more realistically represent what people actually want to do? It wouldn't be the same in all brackets of course. Also it might give players an incentive to move up (or down) into a bracket that more suits their playstyle? [2011-04-02 13:26:18] hoof, they only need to be increased above a certain level [2011-04-02 13:26:21] exact hoof, that why the opt-in wouldnt work [2011-04-02 13:26:22] hoof - no increase in the bands [2011-04-02 13:26:25] Spaz2: I was meaning more at the higher levels [2011-04-02 13:26:30] Yes Hoof, Increasing the size of the PvP bands would work with that I feel :) [2011-04-02 13:26:31] agreed doom [2011-04-02 13:26:35] where equipment can be more important than level :) [2011-04-02 13:26:35] How hard would it be to implement NPCs with rating? [2011-04-02 13:26:40] If band has too few competitiors, then no tokens. This will envcourage people to recruit others to the ladder. [2011-04-02 13:26:41] You didnt state that, Hoofmaster lol [2011-04-02 13:26:41] 100 bands or 10%s of total players in levels [2011-04-02 13:26:45] and yes bry... bigger brackets in the higher ranges [2011-04-02 13:26:46] :D [2011-04-02 13:26:52] Spaz2: Sorry :) [2011-04-02 13:26:53] They would be geared up and buffed up with pvp buffs, so they'd pose just as much threat as a human player, possibly more. [2011-04-02 13:26:53] if someone doesnt want to pvp..it wont bother them [2011-04-02 13:26:55] Hoof, I think you need to think of it in a more FAIR way... Like every 100 wouldent be fair. A 100 vs a 200 is a 200 will win... But a 300 vs 400 the 300 may have a shot (im not completly sure)... so it would have to have great in depth though into diffrent sized bands [2011-04-02 13:26:58] At higher levels it could work-at lower levels there's huge difference in items [2011-04-02 13:27:07] they'd also provide a challenge for the pvpers to beat. :D [2011-04-02 13:27:16] And possibly smack around players randomly too, lol. [2011-04-02 13:27:24] Maeh: yeah - I was thinking like at 300 it could go up like to 450 [2011-04-02 13:27:24] yes..i mean maybe starting in the 700's? 800? [2011-04-02 13:27:26] or something like that [2011-04-02 13:27:32] hardcore pvpers at 100 can beat 200s :) [2011-04-02 13:27:34] Wil the token payouts be the same? [2011-04-02 13:27:36] no worries, I know when you get into the 500's the Nuryns(If spelt correctly) if able to defeat many players 100's of levels abouve it. [2011-04-02 13:27:36] there are some big equipmment differences in the higher levels, ie difference between 800 and 850 is quite large, as the difference between 850 and 900 [2011-04-02 13:27:40] just increase by say +50 at points in the levels [2011-04-02 13:27:47] less difference in gear score.. and alot lesspvprs in each bracket as is now ( in the higher ranges) [2011-04-02 13:27:55] Hi chat... I like gold theft levels the same is it possible to not mess with that [2011-04-02 13:28:05] Bigger bracker =more challengeforthose who WANT to pvp for tokens etc [2011-04-02 13:28:08] Hey chazz!!! [2011-04-02 13:28:09] but not all the bands by +50 hoof. only certain ones [2011-04-02 13:28:11] and The bounty board exp loss needs fixing as well [2011-04-02 13:28:15] Hi Pony [2011-04-02 13:28:15] =-= Mode #fallensword +v Chazz by PonyT [2011-04-02 13:28:17] yes,grendel,they can-but one of the reasons these ladders exist is to have more people PvP-ing ..not just the best ones [2011-04-02 13:28:23] =-= YOU are now known as Skitzo0666 [2011-04-02 13:28:23] === *** NICK: User PonyT changed their nickname to Skitzo0666 [2011-04-02 13:28:26] ok sooo [2011-04-02 13:28:27] It's not just about the equipment, if you judge your buffs right, you can take on players far higher then ones self [2011-04-02 13:28:32] What bands do you feel would be fair? [2011-04-02 13:28:40] bands as is [2011-04-02 13:28:41] Ya the bounty board loss is messed up. It is like at half it should be. Sometimes even worse [2011-04-02 13:28:45] I think above 600 is a good place to start? [2011-04-02 13:28:47] Can we maybe have some clarification of what is being discussed now? Things are started to move really quickly again. [2011-04-02 13:28:48] not sure hoof... [2011-04-02 13:28:50] If you increase the bands, why not let say level 401-500 all wear level 500 gear for ladder hits. Should take too much coding to remove the stats if used for other purposes [2011-04-02 13:28:51] We'll fix the bounty board - don't worry :) [2011-04-02 13:28:53] higher ones though [2011-04-02 13:28:55] I remember when I was in the 600-650 ladder not much happened. [2011-04-02 13:28:58] depending of the amount of players in each band [2011-04-02 13:29:01] i agree after 600 should be broader [2011-04-02 13:29:05] maybe 600 - 700 [2011-04-02 13:29:13] I think 600-699, and then 100 levels for the ladders after that [2011-04-02 13:29:16] thank you Hoof [2011-04-02 13:29:19] 10% of total,,could you make that work each reset? [2011-04-02 13:29:20] I think on the BB pvpers should get rating from other bands too...just a thought [2011-04-02 13:29:25] YOU got the numbers so you should be able to do that [2011-04-02 13:29:31] skitzo, at level 700 you get the RLBP and the fire blade, somewhat overpowered, so limit that to the next ladder. [2011-04-02 13:29:32] open ladder brakets to 100 levels? [2011-04-02 13:29:33] at the moments its 50 levels [2011-04-02 13:29:36] for the bands right? [2011-04-02 13:29:38] is that what I am understanding ? [2011-04-02 13:29:39] so like [2011-04-02 13:29:40] yep [2011-04-02 13:29:42] after 600 [2011-04-02 13:29:46] we would make it every 100 [2011-04-02 13:29:48] BB should always TAKE rating but should not give it when a level 800 smacks a level 100. [2011-04-02 13:29:50] that would be decent yeah? [2011-04-02 13:29:52] after 600 100 levels sounds good to me.i [2011-04-02 13:29:52] maybe [2011-04-02 13:29:53] can the bands be like the first 10% of the gae, then the next 10%, so could be levels 1-67, 68-127, 128-246 etc? [2011-04-02 13:29:55] there are way more lower levels than higher,,everyone gets the same amount of opponents [2011-04-02 13:29:57] sounds good. I have heard enough stories [2011-04-02 13:30:06] 600 to what to 700 umm I like this idea [2011-04-02 13:30:08] it would also decrease the amount of tokens coming into the game - although I'm not sure if thats such a good thingl [2011-04-02 13:30:08] +1 [2011-04-02 13:30:11] I could clean the floor over a leve50 [2011-04-02 13:30:12] Chazz: yeah [2011-04-02 13:30:17] What this means though .. is that I can smack mae :D [2011-04-02 13:30:20] May i ask, what time does this chat finish? [2011-04-02 13:30:21] hehe [2011-04-02 13:30:22] The opt in/out is a bad idea [2011-04-02 13:30:28] tal: once we've sorted it out :) [2011-04-02 13:30:31] why so chazz? [2011-04-02 13:30:32] simply, double the tokens or add the two brackets together [2011-04-02 13:30:35] With the opt-in/out sytem in place? I think that would probably make up for the decrease in available targets. If I'm reading it right? [2011-04-02 13:30:36] or after 500 = 100 levels band and higher than 800 = 200 levels band [2011-04-02 13:30:37] i agree with chaz [2011-04-02 13:30:40] tal: at least another hour :)( [2011-04-02 13:30:41] I think this will encourage corruption as I've mentioned in the forum [2011-04-02 13:30:44] ie: its 8 now> per 50? spread 16 out in top 5..etc [2011-04-02 13:30:48] Chazz: how do you mean? [2011-04-02 13:31:01] hmh. hi all. [2011-04-02 13:31:04] Shardoom: yeah that was the idea :) [2011-04-02 13:31:06] I am interested as well [2011-04-02 13:31:08] actually, I think thats quite fair mae. The top reward shouln't change though, it should stay at 5. [2011-04-02 13:31:09] Hi donald [2011-04-02 13:31:22] Hoof ... I posted... we will see lots of issues with the opt in and out [2011-04-02 13:31:22] if bands are opened up maybe make a 5-3-2 reward instead of 5-1-1 [2011-04-02 13:31:29] could we spread the tokens out to 1st threw 5th? [2011-04-02 13:31:38] People and guilds will have more control than others [2011-04-02 13:31:42] RD: I don't think changing the rewards is needed really [2011-04-02 13:31:55] Relics, pvpers, the whole idea encourges trading [2011-04-02 13:31:57] i like the game better with there being a top 50 for tokens throughout the whole game [2011-04-02 13:31:57] nope [2011-04-02 13:31:58] it might be if we cut in half the ones for the upper levels [2011-04-02 13:32:00] medals, tokens and etc [2011-04-02 13:32:01] *liked [2011-04-02 13:32:01] Rd - wouldnt that be even easier to invent gear? [2011-04-02 13:32:01] i agree ..leave the rewards as is [2011-04-02 13:32:05] the rewards are fine. No need to change them [2011-04-02 13:32:06] maybe more stuff to make tho please!! [2011-04-02 13:32:15] Ok... [2011-04-02 13:32:16] Agree, no need to change reward: expanded bracket is jsut to make it as competitive at high levels as as low. [2011-04-02 13:32:16] More stuff would be interesting [2011-04-02 13:32:18] well, if we merge the ladders, considering the amount of tokens needed to make higher level items, I think its fair to have a 5-4-3-2-1 distribution in 100 level ladders? [2011-04-02 13:32:26] Well I'm up for changing the rewards. [2011-04-02 13:32:27] so are we for or opposed to changing the bands to 100 levels after level 600? [2011-04-02 13:32:28] i don;t see the need to change the brackets really [2011-04-02 13:32:29] Longer ladders [2011-04-02 13:32:30] i always love new gear [2011-04-02 13:32:34] For [2011-04-02 13:32:36] hoof: nice to see you have aranged this happening to let players to discuss about PvP... hopefully this doesn't turn into widespread blaming. [2011-04-02 13:32:36] harder items to invent [2011-04-02 13:32:37] for [2011-04-02 13:32:40] More defensive gear to counter the uber attack and buffs and pots... [2011-04-02 13:32:40] I'm all for changing the ladders. [2011-04-02 13:32:41] Will there soon be any new PvP invent items? Caus' everyone seems to have them all now lol [2011-04-02 13:32:41] for [2011-04-02 13:32:48] more options and gear but that's a whole other topic [2011-04-02 13:32:48] but we will have to account for that with the tokens. [2011-04-02 13:32:49] FOR 100 level bands 600 [2011-04-02 13:32:50] I'm for, when implemented with the opt in/out of course. [2011-04-02 13:32:50] ok..how do i change my name..haven't been here for awhile [2011-04-02 13:32:53] donalde: its good to discuss it live :) [2011-04-02 13:32:55] my only prob with relics is they get monopolised for too long by the big guilds sometimes [2011-04-02 13:32:58] but do not change the tokens [2011-04-02 13:32:59] I think this whole ladder issue has arisen as a result of the XP loss curve on the BB not really making sense anymore. wasn't the orginal point of a pvp based rewards to sorta offset the fact that when higher levels lose 5 levels it's 1 to 2 weeks (maybe plus) worth of stamina (vs a few days)? And then from there the idea sorta morphed into the ladder as an attempt to partially segment the levelers from nonlevelers? I guess my ques [2011-04-02 13:33:03] we are here about the opt in or out option which is really hard to deal with [2011-04-02 13:33:05] it sounds fair [2011-04-02 13:33:14] but ... in the end will be nothing but lots of trouble [2011-04-02 13:33:15] i agree spaz we need more pvp gear [2011-04-02 13:33:15] The XP loss on the bounty board will be fixed tonight [2011-04-02 13:33:17] * aa0007 suggests that we all take a poll on increasing ladder above 600. All in favor say "I" [2011-04-02 13:33:19] @donalde That's why Pony and others are watching, including myself in an unofficial stance :) [2011-04-02 13:33:19] I [2011-04-02 13:33:20] That wasn't intentional :) [2011-04-02 13:33:20] personally, I dislike PvP as it is broken for many reaosns: buffs like DC and KE render defence setups, while EW renders anything armor based. [2011-04-02 13:33:21] it offers too much control [2011-04-02 13:33:27] I [2011-04-02 13:33:31] aa0007: the for method was working [2011-04-02 13:33:34] good. I was getting annoyed with my bounties doing nothing [2011-04-02 13:33:36] aa007 what do u mean incraesing to 600? [2011-04-02 13:33:40] pvp is not broken [2011-04-02 13:33:41] ok [2011-04-02 13:33:44] I [2011-04-02 13:33:50] the for method? [2011-04-02 13:33:54] lol buffs like DC [2011-04-02 13:33:55] only if its for PvP rating opt in only and not got any other kind of hits [2011-04-02 13:33:56] darksream: operators and moderators are allways nice on situation which might heat up :)= [2011-04-02 13:34:02] hoofmaster: Are there any plans to release some other PvP items.. Wast long since they came out. Can't help to ask. [2011-04-02 13:34:16] aa0007: hoof asked for or against, and people were responding appropriately. changing it, confuses things [2011-04-02 13:34:18] Spaz2: we will be adding more [2011-04-02 13:34:18] Kind of interested myself [2011-04-02 13:34:19] DC, KE, and EW should be made for PvM only not PvP [2011-04-02 13:34:20] oh god... that's another topic [2011-04-02 13:34:26] Awsome Gravy. [2011-04-02 13:34:28] lets stick to this opt in or out thing [2011-04-02 13:34:30] Yayyy!!! [2011-04-02 13:34:32] @donalde Well, I wouldn't worry, cause things will be delt with quickly ;) [2011-04-02 13:34:33] new gear will encourage increased corruption, not reduce it. Initial demand will increase prices, meaning more people will think of more interesting ways to abuse the system [2011-04-02 13:34:34] noo!! [2011-04-02 13:34:35] ah, alright. [2011-04-02 13:34:40] Ok lets finish this off... [2011-04-02 13:34:41] anyways, will bbiab, need to go eat [2011-04-02 13:34:43] for the opt out i am... for [2011-04-02 13:34:43] the first topic I mean [2011-04-02 13:34:48] Alright [2011-04-02 13:34:49] lol' [2011-04-02 13:34:51] <--is happy with everything [2011-04-02 13:34:51] poll? :) [2011-04-02 13:34:51] finally hoof :P [2011-04-02 13:34:55] Want me to mute so you can paraphrase? [2011-04-02 13:34:55] this is a pvp, I shouldnt have to opt in to play it [2011-04-02 13:35:05] Is anyone still opposed to the opt-in? [2011-04-02 13:35:06] =-= YOU are now known as PonyT [2011-04-02 13:35:06] === *** NICK: User Skitzo0666 changed their nickname to PonyT [2011-04-02 13:35:10] could we have hoof give a summery on the first subject we just did? so everyone can see what happened? [2011-04-02 13:35:10] was hoping so pony so we are all on the samepage again [2011-04-02 13:35:15] Why not GreatGazoo? You do in MANY other games? [2011-04-02 13:35:16] I think we should just stick with pvp/opt in opt out. Any other topics can be expressed on the forum [2011-04-02 13:35:16] yeh summarize [2011-04-02 13:35:17] Will the ladder reset times be changing at all? eg not 24-48 hours anymore..... [2011-04-02 13:35:18] yes ME !!!!!!! [2011-04-02 13:35:21] not now [2011-04-02 13:35:23] OPT IN IS BAD IDEA [2011-04-02 13:35:26] why? [2011-04-02 13:35:30] No it isn't. [2011-04-02 13:35:31] I am in favor of the opt in [2011-04-02 13:35:31] please provide an explanation. [2011-04-02 13:35:33] Chazz: explain why [2011-04-02 13:35:36] in favour too [2011-04-02 13:35:37] brb need a coke :) [2011-04-02 13:35:39] Medal trading [2011-04-02 13:35:41] I would rarther it be a -/+10 and not back to 5, however... DO IT¬ [2011-04-02 13:35:44] Token collectors [2011-04-02 13:35:49] not really. [2011-04-02 13:35:50] need balance [2011-04-02 13:35:54] Opt in will keep the levelers form lossing unneeded XP from people just 100 staming for rating. [2011-04-02 13:35:54] opt in by definition is same as opt out no? [2011-04-02 13:35:55] but, can we get more transfer of rating off bountys again? [2011-04-02 13:35:55] medal trading is lder than the SE's , lol [2011-04-02 13:35:55] Chazz i havent seen any reason for you... I mean u say 2 word resons, Please go into depth with your reasoning [2011-04-02 13:35:58] i wouldnt mind an opt out for free :) [2011-04-02 13:35:59] I agree Hoofmaster dont do itt [2011-04-02 13:36:02] Thus, keeps everyone happy. [2011-04-02 13:36:05] I hope your going to be drinking that.. [2011-04-02 13:36:10] get me one while ur their hoof :) [2011-04-02 13:36:11] no it won't [2011-04-02 13:36:15] PvP band could be: 1-50, 51-100, 101-150, 151-200, 201-250, 251-300, 301-350, 351-400, 401-450, 451-500, 501-600, 601-700, 701-800, 800-+ [2011-04-02 13:36:15] dmr - the opt out would only be for rating, people will still be succeptible to gold/xp loss [2011-04-02 13:36:16] guys he's getting a pop hang on [2011-04-02 13:36:21] opt in or out will not save the levelers [2011-04-02 13:36:24] Not if they have to contend with only other pvp players. It would 'theoretically' make gaining tokens and the medal more difficult and challenging? [2011-04-02 13:36:28] people will still gold hit them [2011-04-02 13:36:29] pony turn the chat off so hoof can read [2011-04-02 13:36:31] Chazz's downsides do not even come close to outweighing the upside: keeping levlers playing while still having enough people for PvPers to compete with. [2011-04-02 13:36:35] op in op out...isn't fa an attack based game? [2011-04-02 13:36:38] No it won't save the lvlers but it will be a start [2011-04-02 13:36:38] thats ok AA... i wouldnt be getting hit then :p [2011-04-02 13:36:39] it's saving the levellers that is the prob [2011-04-02 13:36:50] matetuer, we are suggesting 100 level bands over 600. there is too much change in 500-600 in my opinion. [2011-04-02 13:36:52] Is that like save The Whale? [2011-04-02 13:36:52] people lose levels too often they leave [2011-04-02 13:36:54] We are not trying to save the lvlers [2011-04-02 13:36:55] it's bad enough there is an Opt out option in a PvP game, I certainly dont want to have to opt in when I signed on to play a PvP game in the 1st place [2011-04-02 13:36:59] back [2011-04-02 13:36:59] matetuer isnt those same pvp band now? [2011-04-02 13:37:02] If you want pvp protection buy it [2011-04-02 13:37:04] I understand... I am just asking for balance [2011-04-02 13:37:05] yes Shardoom and it makes the medals worth something too [2011-04-02 13:37:06] This is just rating [2011-04-02 13:37:07] It does not save leveres from hits in the +/-10 range, not at all. [2011-04-02 13:37:13] there has to be a balance between the two [2011-04-02 13:37:14] if pvp points never reset every ladder we would not be having this discussion. ; ) [2011-04-02 13:37:15] no, look them all [2011-04-02 13:37:16] levelers and pvpers [2011-04-02 13:37:19] combine the tokens into 100 level brackets ( in the higher ranges) award more places.. since more playerswill be involved. Opt in stillprotects those who dont want to be hit [2011-04-02 13:37:22] summary pls? [2011-04-02 13:37:25] Mat: that was the idea :) [2011-04-02 13:37:26] I am leveler, never have attacked anyone, didn't do that one quest in beginning which require rating :)= [2011-04-02 13:37:28] ok so... [2011-04-02 13:37:29] And now chazz explain how to make this balance [2011-04-02 13:37:32] Let me explain real quick :) [2011-04-02 13:37:33] Guys easy now [2011-04-02 13:37:39] When the tokens were introduced, I think most wanted the old PvP. a -/+10 range with NO TOKENS. THIS will be just that, for the Opt outers except they will only accept there incoming that way.. [2011-04-02 13:37:51] If you are opt-ed out [2011-04-02 13:37:52] I'm still working on that [2011-04-02 13:37:53] yes, we will still get gold hit (and i can live with that.... FS have always been a PvP game)... but to avoid beeing hit for rating is enough for me [2011-04-02 13:37:57] the solution is not simple [2011-04-02 13:37:58] =-= Mode #fallensword +m by PonyT [2011-04-02 13:38:02] Let him explain people please. [2011-04-02 13:38:02] You can still PvP within +/- 10 levels [2011-04-02 13:38:05] but what I suggest is longer pvp ladders [2011-04-02 13:38:16] you just can't gain / lose PvP Rating [2011-04-02 13:38:24] we can try to opt out the levelers for now see how that goes but the bb will drop [2011-04-02 13:38:27] if you opt-in [2011-04-02 13:38:40] =-= Mode #fallensword -v Chazz by Zukira [2011-04-02 13:38:42] You can gain/lose pvp rating, gold and xp within your band [2011-04-02 13:38:48] BUT [2011-04-02 13:38:54] you can only opt-in / out of the NEXT PvP Ladder [2011-04-02 13:39:00] so you can't like opt-in just before the end [2011-04-02 13:39:05] and jump to the top of the ladder [2011-04-02 13:39:05] :) [2011-04-02 13:39:10] the other point is [2011-04-02 13:39:16] that we're looking at extending the ladder ranges [2011-04-02 13:39:18] aboutn 600 [2011-04-02 13:39:25] to compensate for the reduction in potential targets [2011-04-02 13:39:31] that can be used for PvP Rating [2011-04-02 13:39:34] one big plus to this [2011-04-02 13:39:41] is that the ladder will have more meaning [2011-04-02 13:39:51] you will be PvP'ing with players who want to PvP [2011-04-02 13:40:00] rather than farming players who just want to level up [2011-04-02 13:40:04] and kill mobs etc. [2011-04-02 13:40:16] hopefully that sums it up :) [2011-04-02 13:40:30] This topic is now closed then? [2011-04-02 13:40:36] almost :) [2011-04-02 13:40:44] lets have a bit more discussion on it [2011-04-02 13:40:49] Alrighty [2011-04-02 13:40:51] since new players have joined :) [2011-04-02 13:40:58] unmut or just voice those who have opinions talk? [2011-04-02 13:41:05] unmute for now plz [2011-04-02 13:41:11] =-= Mode #fallensword -m by PonyT [2011-04-02 13:41:11] will pvp xp and gold loss be equal across the boards for everyone in the ladder ? [2011-04-02 13:41:13] people will be joining all night most likely [2011-04-02 13:41:16] It might work :) But i still think we'll see less players on the BB, but it can't be perfect [2011-04-02 13:41:19] I think we can use the opt in or out providing gold hits are open 50 levels [2011-04-02 13:41:29] As long as players who opt-in can't take XP and gold opt-outs outside their +/-10 range (not clear there, Hoof) it's great. [2011-04-02 13:41:30] I guess as long as I can still pilfer gold when ever I want to and can 100 stam peeps that need it, an opt into the ladder is fine [2011-04-02 13:41:37] Chazz: you will be able to attack within +/-10 levels for gold xp [2011-04-02 13:41:42] Remove the gold from PvP protection. [2011-04-02 13:41:43] I think by making ladders longer with more random resets will help prevent pvp corruption of those ladders [2011-04-02 13:41:47] will you possibly make the ladders longer? ,i mean, i have heard several players complain because its not about skill, persay, more about who sucessfully guesses when its going to reset [2011-04-02 13:41:48] Take gold in a 100 level range? Thats absurd. [2011-04-02 13:41:54] I don't think that will be a good thing Hoof [2011-04-02 13:41:54] Hoofmaster If one is to opt-out how does this affect them in Bounty Hunting? will they will beable to do so without opting in and waiting... [2011-04-02 13:41:56] there were players on the BB when the range was +-5 levels and there was no tokens... there will be players on the BB with the opt out from the ladder [2011-04-02 13:42:02] The bb will die out [2011-04-02 13:42:03] players now are only being bountied for farming etc.. or gold hits.. gold hit have always been bountied.. the board wont die [2011-04-02 13:42:09] hoofmaster: how that opt-out would happen in practice? does one had to do it every time ladder resets, or only once? does that mean removing PvP protection which can be bought in fsp? [2011-04-02 13:42:10] no farming.. is good. simple [2011-04-02 13:42:17] I think u wont loss ur gold unless u optin ? [2011-04-02 13:42:23] The only thing I find wrong with it is that bounty boards will destroy themselves. The bounty medals will get even harder [2011-04-02 13:42:24] put the opt in to pvp feature into the game, if even for a trial period and see how few really would hit that button. I would readily wager that no more then 1/25th of those playing will do so [2011-04-02 13:42:29] I agree no farming is good [2011-04-02 13:42:40] pvpers farming one an other is fine by me [2011-04-02 13:42:46] We'll see Mae :) [2011-04-02 13:42:46] fairpvp: they can only take gold/xp form outside the +/10 levels from other players who are opted-in [2011-04-02 13:42:46] those that JUST farm dont usually place. in my ladder at least [2011-04-02 13:42:56] gold loss... for +/- 10 of a VL was never a problem before.. heck with 5 levels.. gold hits still happened [2011-04-02 13:43:04] Yes. We should trial it. Try it for a week. See what happens. If it doesn't work have a discusion again next week [2011-04-02 13:43:05] I should be able to make a gold hit or 100 stam anyone ...PvP points can be only for the ladder as an opt in option [2011-04-02 13:43:06] but as I said we need longer ladders, harder items to invent more token options to keep people playing in it [2011-04-02 13:43:09] as long as gold loss occurs on those "opted" into the ladder..its fine [2011-04-02 13:43:12] donalde: you specify your preference for opt-in/out and it will take effect when the ladder resets next [2011-04-02 13:43:14] I was threatened with a 10FSP bounty, the bribed 5FSP to never hit again. Then rudely bountied for 4... All for a gold hit, they sure to get bountied :P [2011-04-02 13:43:15] they did in the level 550 to 599 range [2011-04-02 13:43:20] yes Gazoo I agree [2011-04-02 13:43:24] Well said Mae [2011-04-02 13:43:47] Why bountyboard will die as some ppl says ?? [2011-04-02 13:43:48] I think rating should transfer on bountys no matter the level or opt status [2011-04-02 13:44:01] hi raspy [2011-04-02 13:44:02] leave rating, inside the brackets [2011-04-02 13:44:06] I think it will die out cause of the lack of farmers which is good [2011-04-02 13:44:07] Gren: if you are opt'ed out - you don't have a rating [2011-04-02 13:44:09] hey guys! [2011-04-02 13:44:11] good idea grendel dog [2011-04-02 13:44:11] some players bounty even its deflected attack.. [2011-04-02 13:44:12] : ) [2011-04-02 13:44:13] no skill.. in me clearing someone lower then me.. [2011-04-02 13:44:17] grendl= you mean like before when level 700 could farm my rating? no thanks [2011-04-02 13:44:19] ie: out width band [2011-04-02 13:44:24] will there be a way to search for opted in players ? [2011-04-02 13:44:29] RD: Yes [2011-04-02 13:44:31] Shindrak, cuz PvPers do not bounty players [2011-04-02 13:44:34] RD: It would be required really [2011-04-02 13:44:34] but ... it will be less people to bounty so to compansate I suggest we keep gold hits 50 level +/- [2011-04-02 13:44:35] Just saying I like the reduced xp loss with bounty , just need to fix rating for player inactive over 48 hours . [2011-04-02 13:44:38] and can we have an attack all button ? [2011-04-02 13:44:39] Hoofmaster: how will the very fitst 48hours of this system work? [2011-04-02 13:44:44] RD: We'll expand the find player section [2011-04-02 13:45:11] ok but could we raise the transfer for those who opted in and maybe even give transfer for your band and up? [2011-04-02 13:45:17] I think you all need to expand the ladder [2011-04-02 13:45:19] period [2011-04-02 13:45:25] on bountys [2011-04-02 13:45:30] down with pvp ladder [2011-04-02 13:45:32] hoofmaster: so that will replace currently fsp -bought PvP protection? I mean regarless amoount of gold I hav in hand, I don't get PvP'd? [2011-04-02 13:45:32] offer more items with more risk of failure or else ... [2011-04-02 13:45:35] need a 5 min break [2011-04-02 13:45:38] the ladder will die out anyways [2011-04-02 13:45:39] alright [2011-04-02 13:45:41] do you? [2011-04-02 13:45:43] Alright [2011-04-02 13:45:48] Rofl. [2011-04-02 13:45:49] while hoof is away, we can finish this discussion. [2011-04-02 13:45:50] i feel like longer ladders would prove condusive, because its honestly more about guessing correctly when its going to reset currently [2011-04-02 13:45:50] (gotta make a phone call) [2011-04-02 13:46:03] Chazz: there was players on the BB when the range was +-5 levels and there were not PvP-ladder... +-10 is good [2011-04-02 13:46:10] Can we go back to the old ladder? i just didnt like not many targets otherwise it was good [2011-04-02 13:46:14] recesses for 5min too [2011-04-02 13:46:23] Truth be told the old pvp worked just fine. I have not liked any of the new changes in the past year [2011-04-02 13:46:24] I'll take a Perpperoni Pizza, if thats what your doing! :D [2011-04-02 13:46:25] I have a cut in my ear, it's irritating me like mad. [2011-04-02 13:46:26] yes of course ... but you have to account for people farming [2011-04-02 13:46:29] now that won't happen [2011-04-02 13:46:37] ponyt: so that will replace currently fsp -bought PvP protection? I mean regarless amoount of gold I hav in hand, I don't get PvP'd? [2011-04-02 13:46:42] Chef mitzi is here! Selling invisible pie for 25fsp a piece! [2011-04-02 13:46:46] 80% of the bounties are from levellers who get attacked for PvP rating [2011-04-02 13:46:47] you are gonna stop a lot of people from being hit now to please them which is fine [2011-04-02 13:46:52] No [2011-04-02 13:46:53] higher levelbrackets have less who pvp.. speading the level range ( for those opted in) IE: bandwith .. to100 levels would be good. More who pvp..and more challenge for those who want tokens..rating etc [2011-04-02 13:46:54] I liked the gvg changes except for the fact it meant constant battles almost nonstop [2011-04-02 13:46:56] farming will happen no matter what [2011-04-02 13:47:02] if you opt out you're still able to be hit by +- 10 [2011-04-02 13:47:02] pvp protection protects gold and exp, the optin only allows for pvp transfer [2011-04-02 13:47:04] they'll find a way [2011-04-02 13:47:04] welcome grimm. [2011-04-02 13:47:11] It will certainly be reduced thoguh [2011-04-02 13:47:13] are we on a new topic now? [2011-04-02 13:47:17] howdy AA [2011-04-02 13:47:17] to farm, just have your friends opt-in [2011-04-02 13:47:19] having to vet new recruits so they came in wearing full kit was a pita [2011-04-02 13:47:21] not yet [2011-04-02 13:47:29] everyone can goldhit..in their +/- 10 range.. thats fine. If it stays that way [2011-04-02 13:47:33] ok [2011-04-02 13:47:36] =-= Hoof|backIn5 is now known as Hoofmaster [2011-04-02 13:47:37] eman - the topic is still the same. [2011-04-02 13:47:38] hoof is away, but we should be starting a new one soon [2011-04-02 13:47:39] ponyt: oh, ok. then I stick buying PvP protection. [2011-04-02 13:47:42] How many people in here ar PvPers that hit people out side there -/+10(20) range frequently unless they have alot of rating on them themself? [2011-04-02 13:47:44] hoof is bac :D [2011-04-02 13:47:46] ok [2011-04-02 13:47:46] so [2011-04-02 13:47:48] *sighs* ok Mae [2011-04-02 13:47:56] One thing would be how to start this [2011-04-02 13:47:56] I think the idea is to spare those who do not want to be a part of that aspect of the game from forced participation [2011-04-02 13:48:02] I think people should get some time to opt-in [2011-04-02 13:48:04] to the first ladder [2011-04-02 13:48:05] agreed [2011-04-02 13:48:07] =-= PonyT has changed the topic to ``Topic: Opting in and out of PvP'' [2011-04-02 13:48:11] good idea [2011-04-02 13:48:17] Good plan. [2011-04-02 13:48:19] yes [2011-04-02 13:48:20] Spaz- i hit any one i can. the negative modifier was what made it worthless to hit out of the 10 [2011-04-02 13:48:26] hoof, have you thought about not having pvp rating reset? would minlge out all the non pvpers in a short period of time anyway [2011-04-02 13:48:29] I like having the +/- 50 levels right now... and I thought that was great especially that we are gonna prevent farming it still gives the levelers plenty of people to bounty [2011-04-02 13:48:30] I asked just that question if you scroll above, Hoof. XD [2011-04-02 13:48:32] Hoof, dont you think that 80% of the bounties are from levellers who get attacked for PvP rating [2011-04-02 13:48:35] This is quite the interesting conversation [2011-04-02 13:48:36] so I'm thinking we add the preference later tonight - which will take effect on Monday [2011-04-02 13:48:41] well [2011-04-02 13:48:43] for the next pvp ladder [2011-04-02 13:48:48] when it resets [2011-04-02 13:48:53] Sounds good [2011-04-02 13:48:58] alright, we can close this topic then? [2011-04-02 13:49:00] so is the opt out a doone deal? [2011-04-02 13:49:05] I still think the bounty board will kind of die from this though [2011-04-02 13:49:06] and the perhaps move onto the pvp ladder deal [2011-04-02 13:49:12] i think so tsink [2011-04-02 13:49:13] for the reset - can we randomize the times? [2011-04-02 13:49:15] im assuming people will be auto out of course right? [2011-04-02 13:49:16] it will have an effect on the bounty board [2011-04-02 13:49:22] that -- is unfortunate [2011-04-02 13:49:25] bounty board was more alive before the ladder came imo [2011-04-02 13:49:27] It has to be a balance [2011-04-02 13:49:28] yeah. all levelers not in pvp are making all the bounties [2011-04-02 13:49:30] yes randomise the reset times not ..30 or ..00 [2011-04-02 13:49:32] and even people who opt-out [2011-04-02 13:49:33] That exactly. I don't think it will make huge differance to the XP loss of those whome don't like it as the same 10 levels are still there and I don't think the all band XP loss make a huge impact. [2011-04-02 13:49:34] yes I feel this will kill the bounty board as well [2011-04-02 13:49:38] can still be hit on +/- 1-0 [2011-04-02 13:49:39] 10 [2011-04-02 13:49:40] if they cant be attacked bounty board will be empty [2011-04-02 13:49:44] I hust wanna know that I can make gold hits and 100 stams on peeps in my range without having to opt in and Im golden [2011-04-02 13:49:49] i don't believe there was a need to make the change [2011-04-02 13:49:50] Yes. But the bounty board will still drop [2011-04-02 13:49:53] they are only opting out of the LADDER [2011-04-02 13:49:54] they can be attacked rollcage, just no pvp transfer [2011-04-02 13:49:55] Hoof [2011-04-02 13:49:57] i have a quick suggestion to talk about before i go...i will throw it out there for now... [2011-04-02 13:49:58] not pVp [2011-04-02 13:49:59] yes I keep hearing that and that won't be enough [2011-04-02 13:50:00] can you clearify one thing [2011-04-02 13:50:06] bountyboard could do with reworking anyways [2011-04-02 13:50:10] kk, thanks Hoof =) [2011-04-02 13:50:13] was the change in xp loss on the board a bug or intentional [2011-04-02 13:50:19] tsink: bug [2011-04-02 13:50:24] thanks [2011-04-02 13:50:25] Hoof- what happens if someone clears your bounty in your bracket but not on the ladder no pvp rating taken right? [2011-04-02 13:50:25] tsink: that will be fixed tonight :) [2011-04-02 13:50:28] making larger band will help for sure... [2011-04-02 13:50:29] They 'can' still be attacked though. Thing is the bounty board existed when the range was merely +-5 levels and it did fine. It will STILL be +_10 levels.. [2011-04-02 13:50:31] So if you opt out you can still get attacked? [2011-04-02 13:50:35] cool [2011-04-02 13:50:36] tsink20, you are one of the most hated players in this game. Your opinion is valueless. [2011-04-02 13:50:37] TheEvilLyn: correct ;) [2011-04-02 13:50:38] yes cage [2011-04-02 13:50:38] I see you got in lyn LOL [2011-04-02 13:50:38] that being said [2011-04-02 13:50:44] I have about 25 outstanding bounties [2011-04-02 13:50:48] lol hi evil =) [2011-04-02 13:50:50] I hope they get posted before the reset [2011-04-02 13:50:55] I want to see this in as much detail as possible hoof. If possible. Most updates don't always make the best of sence.. along with buffs decriptions. [2011-04-02 13:50:55] lmao [2011-04-02 13:50:56] hi [2011-04-02 13:50:59] yeh you can still get attacked ie the old sytem, just no farming for tatings [2011-04-02 13:50:59] Yes they are opting out of the ladder but the bounty board itself is mostly from people who are hit for rating within a 10 lvl. They bounty because of this. Get rid of the lvlers getting grinded for rating and you get rid of the bounty board. [2011-04-02 13:51:06] You can't tell me you didn't think of this [2011-04-02 13:51:07] BB is also broken, player in BB can hit bountier without fear, so at least one 'free' attack (usually 100 stam). Fix that also? :)= [2011-04-02 13:51:08] I disagree anonymous ...keep personal opinions outta this discussion please [2011-04-02 13:51:13] Well there are more for this idea than against and its going to go through but I do expect some negative affects but time will tell perhaps [2011-04-02 13:51:22] any reason why an anonymous player is taking shots at me in here? [2011-04-02 13:51:30] So basically you are still going to be able to be attacked if you opt out just no PvP rating change for either player? [2011-04-02 13:51:33] no clue [2011-04-02 13:51:35] but we'll ban him [2011-04-02 13:51:37] yes cage [2011-04-02 13:51:40] Your loved. [2011-04-02 13:51:41] do you even have to ask? [2011-04-02 13:51:42] Hello [2011-04-02 13:51:43] lol [2011-04-02 13:51:45] because you suck tsink20 thatys why [2011-04-02 13:51:51] Rollcage5: yes [2011-04-02 13:51:52] Rollcage5: BUT [2011-04-02 13:51:53] banhammer time [2011-04-02 13:51:56] those at the high end of any band level have a markable advatage by way of gear then those at the lower end, therein lays the imperfection of such bands by design [2011-04-02 13:52:03] Rollcage5: if you opt-in you can be hit for xp/gold anywhere within the band [2011-04-02 13:52:04] whats been decided with the ladder? [2011-04-02 13:52:05] gotta love having a faithfull fan base, huh tsink? lol [2011-04-02 13:52:07] doug [2011-04-02 13:52:09] i agree wuth doug [2011-04-02 13:52:10] hey everyone! [2011-04-02 13:52:10] Rollcage5: by other opt-ed in players [2011-04-02 13:52:11] Can we just get rid of nubcake27? [2011-04-02 13:52:12] that is unavoidable [2011-04-02 13:52:17] thats what i was going to ask Doug. [2011-04-02 13:52:20] unless you make the bands tiny [2011-04-02 13:52:20] which nubcake is warking? [2011-04-02 13:52:22] doug i disagree. i have no problem, i even placed when i was at the bottom [2011-04-02 13:52:26] and [2011-04-02 13:52:28] btw [2011-04-02 13:52:30] so are all ladders gonna open up 100 levels? [2011-04-02 13:52:33] Get rid of the ladder put it back the way it was [2011-04-02 13:52:36] if someone is opted into a ladder chances are they can fend nicely for themselves..they know what they are getting into..regardless of level gap/ gear score [2011-04-02 13:52:38] or just the 600+ one? [2011-04-02 13:52:40] bands are getting increased, above level 600 i believe [2011-04-02 13:52:40] no just over 600 [2011-04-02 13:52:42] Lyn, if they are planning on making the ladders Bigger though [2011-04-02 13:52:47] what descision is happening right now, exactly? [2011-04-02 13:52:48] yeah [2011-04-02 13:52:48] oh, if its just over 600 [2011-04-02 13:52:49] I have had no trouble winning the ladder from the lower part of it [2011-04-02 13:52:50] over levbel 100 [2011-04-02 13:52:51] hi [2011-04-02 13:52:52] oops [2011-04-02 13:52:55] bands just over 600 will be increased. [2011-04-02 13:52:55] over level 600 [2011-04-02 13:52:56] thats the inherent flaw in anything of this nature, there should be some way to balance that [2011-04-02 13:52:56] I disagree with the theory that a player at the upper end of a range has any advantage. [2011-04-02 13:52:56] hardcore pvpe'rs love the ladder though rasp [2011-04-02 13:52:57] Hoofmaster: will the XP loss be differant from +/-10 to a 30 level differance? [2011-04-02 13:52:59] it will be 100 level bands [2011-04-02 13:53:00] what descision is being made now, exactly? [2011-04-02 13:53:02] gotta keep everyone happy [2011-04-02 13:53:04] is this the update that happening in 10 mins? [2011-04-02 13:53:06] + Gold? [2011-04-02 13:53:10] Spaz2: thats the next question :) [2011-04-02 13:53:12] i know a few lower 100 level players that can give me a run for my money [2011-04-02 13:53:12] is this a new topic hoof? [2011-04-02 13:53:19] no slip, after next ladder reset i believe [2011-04-02 13:53:20] slip: 1h 5mins [2011-04-02 13:53:20] I don't see much about opting in or out [2011-04-02 13:53:20] nubcake27 is a coward, do not replied tsink [2011-04-02 13:53:22] Can PvP be like arena...You join then you participate!!! [2011-04-02 13:53:26] [14:33] personally, I dislike PvP as it is broken for many reaosns: buffs like DC and KE rensder defence setups, while EW renders anything armor based. .......so adding on to this...yes it is very true that it does render PvP and doesnt really even make it a challenge...how to make PvP a challenge and to get more fun out of it for the "real PvPer's" would be to eliminate some of those buffs from Player vs. Player and make the bu [2011-04-02 13:53:33] ok [2011-04-02 13:53:35] next topic [2011-04-02 13:53:36] .... [2011-04-02 13:53:37] gmt is uk right? [2011-04-02 13:53:37] slipknot (hi!)within the hour [2011-04-02 13:53:38] he's gone matetuer [2011-04-02 13:53:40] it just gives the higher players the advantage because they have more targest in their range of stats than lower players [2011-04-02 13:53:41] still would like to know, if rating, gold/xp loss will be equal for all opted in players in a bracket [2011-04-02 13:53:41] +m plz [2011-04-02 13:53:45] UK is on BST now [2011-04-02 13:53:47] slip: In the UK we are BST [2011-04-02 13:53:50] GMT +1 [2011-04-02 13:53:56] Hoof you ready to start next topic now? [2011-04-02 13:53:56] =-= Mode #fallensword +h Puppet by BionicBovine [2011-04-02 13:53:59] they do have an inherent advantage at higher levels, but not an insurmountable one. More about buffs and commitment, surely [2011-04-02 13:54:01] if you combine ladders in the higher ranges.. combine tokens?( since high level gear does take alot tomake.. and it has been said more gear is coming) bigger band..= 6 places instead of 3? or even 5 places [2011-04-02 13:54:03] PonyT yeah [2011-04-02 13:54:04] Hoff -- in terms of xp loss and gold loss -- I assume it remains the same in plus/minus ten levels -- is it also at an unadjusted amount for anyone playing the ladder [2011-04-02 13:54:06] next topic will be tokens, YES? [2011-04-02 13:54:07] oh, oops :) [2011-04-02 13:54:08] raspy, the opt out of the ladder will mean a return to the old ways for those who opt out [2011-04-02 13:54:09] please read what i pasted =) [2011-04-02 13:54:10] <^jt> HOFF :D rofl [2011-04-02 13:54:12] ok kiddies get the listening ears on [2011-04-02 13:54:13] And do all the updates late and they come on when we should be in bed.. AWSOME *cough* [2011-04-02 13:54:13] Hoof [2011-04-02 13:54:15] =-= Mode #fallensword +m by PonyT [2011-04-02 13:54:19] Floor is yours hoof [2011-04-02 13:54:21] <^jt> im so calling you that from now on [2011-04-02 13:54:44] * Hoofmaster kicks JT [2011-04-02 13:54:48] ok so... [2011-04-02 13:54:50] next thing [2011-04-02 13:55:00] If you are opt-ed in [2011-04-02 13:55:20] You will take xp/gold loss from other players who are opt-ed in within your band [2011-04-02 13:55:25] the question is... [2011-04-02 13:55:44] Do you like the new reduction to xp/gold loss based on level difference [2011-04-02 13:55:45] or [2011-04-02 13:56:03] do you feel it should be equal across the whole band of opt-ed in players? [2011-04-02 13:56:09] (unmute plz) [2011-04-02 13:56:15] equal across the whole band [2011-04-02 13:56:18] =-= Mode #fallensword -m by PonyT [2011-04-02 13:56:18] Hoof- if you have to opt in, it should be equal rating across the band [2011-04-02 13:56:19] equal across the whole band [2011-04-02 13:56:20] I think it shoudl be equal across the band [2011-04-02 13:56:20] If you are opted in you should take more from the +/-10(20) range than what you should for everything else... Or alteast everyone below you.. [2011-04-02 13:56:21] xp loss, gold oss should all be the same. [2011-04-02 13:56:21] +1 RD [2011-04-02 13:56:27] I think equal distribtuion of rating taken etc would be fine throughout a bracket. Tbh the buffs/pots makes the difference in levels far less important than it was in the past. [2011-04-02 13:56:27] what should be equal across band? [2011-04-02 13:56:28] Everyone who opts in knows the risk [2011-04-02 13:56:29] Personally I feel that the xp loss should be the same across the entire band. [2011-04-02 13:56:29] =-= PonyT has changed the topic to ``Topic is losses in opted in PvP'' [2011-04-02 13:56:32] Keep it even. [2011-04-02 13:56:33] They should all face the same risk [2011-04-02 13:56:34] one of the problems you have had is people trying to safely play the ladder [2011-04-02 13:56:38] based on level yes [2011-04-02 13:56:39] Equal across I [2011-04-02 13:56:47] with equal loss, that safety factor goes away [2011-04-02 13:56:48] equal is good [2011-04-02 13:56:52] I personally would like it to be equal [2011-04-02 13:56:54] and get rid of xp lock if you are opted in [2011-04-02 13:56:56] so that way even the lower levels have to think [2011-04-02 13:56:56] it this that makes more sense [2011-04-02 13:57:00] = accross [2011-04-02 13:57:03] agreed RD [2011-04-02 13:57:03] equal, but a low percentage difference cuz XP is harder to get when you lower level [2011-04-02 13:57:04] Equal it is [2011-04-02 13:57:04] 100% [2011-04-02 13:57:05] if a 600 beats a 700 then they deserve more [2011-04-02 13:57:07] I think that we should keep the reduction-It makes things more fair..I know that PvP-ers can win with or without reduction-but the point is to have more players on the ladder-with reduction -more people have a chance to play.. [2011-04-02 13:57:09] I'm fine with the xp lock being gone. [2011-04-02 13:57:09] Do EEETTTT [2011-04-02 13:57:10] You think XP lock should not work if you are opt'ed in ? [2011-04-02 13:57:11] +1 to 07:52 <+RD> and get rid of xp lock if you are opted in [2011-04-02 13:57:11] makes perfect sense, everyone gambles the same risk [2011-04-02 13:57:14] Question who will XP lock affect all of this??? [2011-04-02 13:57:15] I kinda like it. It keeps higher levels from beating down on the lower players. But will this new reduced xp/gold loss affect the bounty board? [2011-04-02 13:57:16] Everyone aginst Spaz, OMG! lol [2011-04-02 13:57:16] Hoof -- I don't know anyone in our guild who would not want equal loss [2011-04-02 13:57:21] Is there a possibility that we will get the option to get rid of xp lock? [2011-04-02 13:57:21] xp lock should [2011-04-02 13:57:21] yes, out with the lock [2011-04-02 13:57:24] Hoof [2011-04-02 13:57:24] sounds like i'm by far outnumbered,but like the lower below your level thing.... [2011-04-02 13:57:29] reset our xp lock to 0 for some fsp? [2011-04-02 13:57:31] I think since they paid for it theat it should work except on BB [2011-04-02 13:57:32] @RD, but only for pvp purposes right? I'm sure some pvp'ers like to try and DW solo Elites/SE's too? [2011-04-02 13:57:34] XP Lock for people playing the ladder has been a real problem [2011-04-02 13:57:38] we could make it not work [2011-04-02 13:57:41] if you are opted in :) [2011-04-02 13:57:43] yes it has [2011-04-02 13:57:45] that is no problem [2011-04-02 13:57:51] people can hit for rating and xpo and the target is unable to respond for XP [2011-04-02 13:57:58] yes doom, your xp lock works pve, but not pve, if you are opted in [2011-04-02 13:58:00] XP = NO LADDER [2011-04-02 13:58:03] sorry i am late hows the progress [2011-04-02 13:58:07] if you're opted in then you're after rating [2011-04-02 13:58:08] Chazz: what does that mean? [2011-04-02 13:58:09] And yes-xp lock should and must be removed if you decide to PvP. [2011-04-02 13:58:10] shouldn't need to answer for xp [2011-04-02 13:58:15] yep, XP lock when opt-in makes no sense [2011-04-02 13:58:17] Everyoen has XP, so no one can partake in the laddeR? lol [2011-04-02 13:58:20] I think that would work well. [2011-04-02 13:58:24] XP lock after you opt in should boot the person out of the ladder [2011-04-02 13:58:28] I put a tik in hoof, exp lock is buggy this week [2011-04-02 13:58:30] I agree with that statement [2011-04-02 13:58:32] agree with anemie on that [2011-04-02 13:58:33] +1 Spazz [2011-04-02 13:58:36] When will these changes take place? [2011-04-02 13:58:40] eh, xp lock ii find useful, but i also hit levelers to get on the BB and am above my lock currently [2011-04-02 13:58:41] I think that it should be the same for everyone above you, but slighty reduced if they are over say 25 levels below for rating. [2011-04-02 13:58:41] the purpose of xp lock is to eliminate xp loss [2011-04-02 13:58:53] and it should not be available to anyone opting into pvp [2011-04-02 13:59:04] and should be deleted as soon as someone opts out [2011-04-02 13:59:05] make that agree with xchaz [2011-04-02 13:59:08] sorry [2011-04-02 13:59:08] *chaz* [2011-04-02 13:59:11] opts in [2011-04-02 13:59:20] Whammies:We are pretty much closing. I am pretty sure it is decided that the opt in opt out will happen. The ladders for 600 plus will be 100 lvls instead of 50. Listen for addition [2011-04-02 13:59:21] tal: we'll be making changes tonight :) [2011-04-02 13:59:26] How long left of the IRC chat? Im kinda inna rush [2011-04-02 13:59:27] XP lock = BOOT FROM LADDER [2011-04-02 13:59:38] Chazz: we can make XP lock just not work [2011-04-02 13:59:41] my opinion on lock: should be taken away for the ladder, and if you're off the ladder or on the BB it won't be affected. you should get an option to reset your xp lock though, so that you can delevel to level 1 if you want. [2011-04-02 13:59:43] Chazz: if they opt-in [2011-04-02 13:59:43] tsink, you'd want a players PVE exp lock removed too? Or separated? [2011-04-02 13:59:44] What is XP lock? [2011-04-02 13:59:45] the xplock point should remain though, as they did pay for that. once they are opted out again, they don't need to repurchase that xp lock [2011-04-02 13:59:47] I like that approach Hoof [2011-04-02 13:59:48] Chazz: ie it will work vs. creatures [2011-04-02 13:59:50] and also [2011-04-02 13:59:51] yes... that's fine [2011-04-02 13:59:52] Chazz: but not on the ladder [2011-04-02 13:59:54] So if you pay for XP lock...but then pvp your lock is broken, and then decide you wanna level again after a ladder, you have to pay for XP lock again? [2011-04-02 13:59:54] Chazz: :) [2011-04-02 13:59:59] GREAT PERFECT [2011-04-02 14:00:01] sendi , that sounds quite fair actucally :) [2011-04-02 14:00:02] =D [2011-04-02 14:00:02] =D [2011-04-02 14:00:03] sounds perfect hoof, and reasonable, and fair [2011-04-02 14:00:04] it needs to delete any previously pruchsed xp lock if they opt in [2011-04-02 14:00:05] It won't BREAK the lock [2011-04-02 14:00:05] :D [2011-04-02 14:00:07] Win [2011-04-02 14:00:08] you just made my day Hoof [2011-04-02 14:00:15] just you xp can drop below it [2011-04-02 14:00:18] on the ladder [2011-04-02 14:00:19] sounds good hoof [2011-04-02 14:00:22] everyone satisfied with this then it seeems [2011-04-02 14:00:24] so if you lose vs a creature [2011-04-02 14:00:27] SO if they are XP locked hit me and I hit them they will lose XP than yes? [2011-04-02 14:00:28] you won't lose any xp [2011-04-02 14:00:29] Im not getting any of this,, anyone care to fill me in please? [2011-04-02 14:00:30] but once your above it OFF of the ladder it works again? [2011-04-02 14:00:30] no prob with XP lock vs creatures [2011-04-02 14:00:32] My XP Lock I bought months ago, but is 6 levels behind me... If over night someone decided to take 5 from me, and the rest I get 100 stammed or a further 5 and had the chance to still rank 1-3 I should be punished for that.. Since i had the points and I didnt choose XP lock to be there, epecialy since it has 0 effect [2011-04-02 14:00:33] Cant believe it was allowed in the frst place! [2011-04-02 14:00:33] I'm fine with the lock not workin, I don't like the idea of removing the lock however. [2011-04-02 14:00:38] Evil: yes :) [2011-04-02 14:00:45] It won't remove the lock [2011-04-02 14:00:46] excellent [2011-04-02 14:00:51] only disable it for PvP Ladder hits [2011-04-02 14:00:51] :) [2011-04-02 14:00:56] wait [2011-04-02 14:00:57] lock will not be removed aa7, it just won;t work pvp if you are opted in [2011-04-02 14:00:58] i am fine with that [2011-04-02 14:00:59] so we are in agreeance then? [2011-04-02 14:01:02] yeah [2011-04-02 14:01:03] you're taking away xploss from creatures? [2011-04-02 14:01:04] @Chazz I agree. then they can just keep attacking people's rating and gold and not lose levels. But is xp lock going to work if you get attacked and they lose and you get on the ladder? [2011-04-02 14:01:05] IF someone buys xp lock it shouldn't work if they are opt'd into a pvp ladder agreed? [2011-04-02 14:01:08] also I think it should be disabled for bounty hits [2011-04-02 14:01:13] oh yea [2011-04-02 14:01:15] yes [2011-04-02 14:01:17] isn't that how it is hoof? [2011-04-02 14:01:18] Hoof [2011-04-02 14:01:18] yes [2011-04-02 14:01:21] that must be the case [2011-04-02 14:01:23] otherwise [2011-04-02 14:01:24] lock should never..ever work on the board [2011-04-02 14:01:28] XP lock already doesnt work on BB.. [2011-04-02 14:01:29] aa: I can't remember :) [2011-04-02 14:01:29] xp lock doesnt work on BB anyways [2011-04-02 14:01:30] +1 mae. [2011-04-02 14:01:31] yup bb too [2011-04-02 14:01:31] :) It's amazing to see people working pretty well (aside from the tsink hater) together to better the game. [2011-04-02 14:01:31] people arethere for a reaons [2011-04-02 14:01:33] lol, is it allowed? makes no sense. [2011-04-02 14:01:34] Spaz2: ok :) [2011-04-02 14:01:35] definately disabled for bounty hits [2011-04-02 14:01:35] people like me will buy lock at the end of a hunt [2011-04-02 14:01:36] if it was supposed to be the case, it's been broke for years [2011-04-02 14:01:37] Disable EXP lock for any type of PvP, Bounty , etc. ? [2011-04-02 14:01:39] what is the xp lock?!? [2011-04-02 14:01:39] Spaz2: I couldn't remember :D [2011-04-02 14:01:41] and then go on a pvp ramapage [2011-04-02 14:01:45] tal: its one of the upgrades [2011-04-02 14:01:47] I personally think that everything seems fine. We should end this soon before it gets filled with more trolls [2011-04-02 14:01:52] tal: you can buy for your character [2011-04-02 14:01:57] won't be to long now [2011-04-02 14:02:02] xp lock tsink, is an upgrade thats bought to prevent xp loss [2011-04-02 14:02:03] ;-) Maybe you should play this game once more Hoof [2011-04-02 14:02:17] Spaz2: I spend all my time developing it [2011-04-02 14:02:18] ladder has been reseted :) [2011-04-02 14:02:24] Ok... so it's clear... [2011-04-02 14:02:24] Spaz2: I would have no life at all then :D [2011-04-02 14:02:25] uh. I'm too drunk to think straight. at least I got my answer regarding PvP protection. back to game to place some expensive potions into AH. -> [2011-04-02 14:02:34] Is the xp lock pvp protection?? [2011-04-02 14:02:38] tal: nope [2011-04-02 14:02:44] :( [2011-04-02 14:02:45] Lol. Yes I guess you could say that. You spend so much time working on the game though. I think you should enjoy it [2011-04-02 14:02:49] IF someone hits and is XP locked and opt'd into the pvp ladder they will lose XP yes? [2011-04-02 14:02:56] Rofl. No worries Hoof. I'm happy with you development and out first chat encounter ;-) lol [2011-04-02 14:02:57] Someone in HCS should play it though [2011-04-02 14:02:58] Chazz: yes [2011-04-02 14:02:59] YES [2011-04-02 14:03:02] hoof should play a ladder too [2011-04-02 14:03:03] Thank you [2011-04-02 14:03:06] LOL [2011-04-02 14:03:07] Hoof [2011-04-02 14:03:08] HOOF is the man [2011-04-02 14:03:13] that would be interesting. shame I can't smack him :| [2011-04-02 14:03:22] ok so [2011-04-02 14:03:25] wheres xakano? i hit her she bountied that was funny :D [2011-04-02 14:03:26] so to summarize [2011-04-02 14:03:27] you should pay someone to play fulltime, would be a lot easier [2011-04-02 14:03:31] this update may encourage others who have left the game due to the pvp element : to return again :) [2011-04-02 14:03:33] Equal XP/gold loss across the band [2011-04-02 14:03:34] AND [2011-04-02 14:03:36] He would just kind of look at everyone and say. YOU ARE DEAD. Then he would win [2011-04-02 14:03:37] I think the suggestions that someone employed by HCS should become a pvp player is a good suggestion [2011-04-02 14:03:37] Do you have to opt into the ladder every time it resets? [2011-04-02 14:03:39] thats another suggestion thats put forth every day yet every day ignored, why won't members of HCS actually play the game they are selling??? [2011-04-02 14:03:41] shhhhh guys [2011-04-02 14:03:44] +m again? [2011-04-02 14:03:45] he's closing the subject [2011-04-02 14:03:49] only if i have to RD [2011-04-02 14:03:50] XP lock is disabled for opt'ed in PvP Ladder attacks. [2011-04-02 14:03:51] right? [2011-04-02 14:03:55] YES [2011-04-02 14:03:55] yes [2011-04-02 14:03:57] for [2011-04-02 14:03:58] yes [2011-04-02 14:03:58] yes [2011-04-02 14:03:58] yes hoof [2011-04-02 14:03:59] YES [2011-04-02 14:03:59] BINGO! [2011-04-02 14:04:00] yes [2011-04-02 14:04:01] absolutely essential [2011-04-02 14:04:03] anyone disagree? [2011-04-02 14:04:04] yup [2011-04-02 14:04:04] Sounds good [2011-04-02 14:04:04] yes [2011-04-02 14:04:06] yup [2011-04-02 14:04:06] i have a question hoof - can you switch to not being opted out if you were opted in at some point in the ladder? [2011-04-02 14:04:08] the same should go for bounties [2011-04-02 14:04:12] sounds good [2011-04-02 14:04:17] wait dont clo!se [2011-04-02 14:04:17] no svv that was already covered [2011-04-02 14:04:18] fsv: nope [2011-04-02 14:04:20] i do have one question about the opt in process [2011-04-02 14:04:22] fsv: you can only change for the next ladder [2011-04-02 14:04:25] agreed [2011-04-02 14:04:28] good! [2011-04-02 14:04:30] Can we get out FSP back too. Its there for nothing now. :/ [2011-04-02 14:04:30] i just logged, what was the proposition of hoof? [2011-04-02 14:04:31] good idea hoof [2011-04-02 14:04:32] thanks! [2011-04-02 14:04:34] dont use it untill the other day and wont again anyway [2011-04-02 14:04:34] whats next subject? [2011-04-02 14:04:38] wow... working good! [2011-04-02 14:04:38] * Darkscream is back and ready for action if needed :) [2011-04-02 14:04:42] is there going to be a time limit for opting into a particular ladder? [2011-04-02 14:04:52] good question ^ [2011-04-02 14:04:53] tsink: you need to specify in your preferences [2011-04-02 14:04:54] before the ladder happens [2011-04-02 14:04:55] I think its just during the current ladder, you can toggle at any time [2011-04-02 14:04:59] ok [2011-04-02 14:04:59] tsink: and it takes effect when the ladder is reset [2011-04-02 14:05:00] Hoof do you have to be opted into the ladder to make gold hits? [2011-04-02 14:05:01] Everyone can re-buy it.. Although is we don't get it back alot have wasted there FSP (and its alot to me LOL) [2011-04-02 14:05:02] and whatever you have it set on during reset is what you choose. [2011-04-02 14:05:09] Equal XP/gold loss across the band and XP lock is disabled for opt'ed in PvP Ladder attacks. [2011-04-02 14:05:09] GreatGazoo: no :) [2011-04-02 14:05:09] so i am always opted in until i decide NO? [2011-04-02 14:05:10] so you are opted in perpetually until you switch preferences [2011-04-02 14:05:12] Versux it is that pvp be an opt in part of the game [2011-04-02 14:05:19] GreatGazoo: unless you want to do gold hits outwith the +/- 10 range [2011-04-02 14:05:20] that works [2011-04-02 14:05:22] so you physically have to opt in to every ladder you want to be in, right ? [2011-04-02 14:05:23] The way I saw it your are opted in/out untill you change your mind. Then the change would be applied to the next ladder reset? [2011-04-02 14:05:26] tsink : yes [2011-04-02 14:05:34] Shardoom: exactly :) [2011-04-02 14:05:39] No lyn i thinks its you opt in each ladder? [2011-04-02 14:05:39] :) [2011-04-02 14:05:42] RD - it looks like all we need to do is sent our preferences once [2011-04-02 14:05:47] Alright soundssorted to me [2011-04-02 14:05:54] ok cool [2011-04-02 14:05:54] Do you have to opt out or does it automatically put you as out if you don't opt in? [2011-04-02 14:05:56] We ready for the next subject hoof? [2011-04-02 14:05:59] thats what I understood them to mean RD [2011-04-02 14:06:06] Does eevryone agree to the opt in/out bit? [2011-04-02 14:06:07] Ok, im going now, and nice to be able to discuss about that on the chat hoof :) [2011-04-02 14:06:07] what about a permanent opt in for the pvp massives? (filterable of course) [2011-04-02 14:06:08] sure... [2011-04-02 14:06:09] next subject then, pvp tokens? [2011-04-02 14:06:13] how will we know who is opted in? [2011-04-02 14:06:15] Ok next is PvP Protection [2011-04-02 14:06:19] =-= Mode #fallensword +m by PonyT [2011-04-02 14:06:24] aa - we'll talk about that after :) [2011-04-02 14:06:29] one sec sorry [2011-04-02 14:06:32] (checks notes) [2011-04-02 14:06:33] think there is still some confusion about opting in, [2011-04-02 14:06:35] =-= cartilige has changed the topic to ``Topic is PvP protection'' [2011-04-02 14:06:36] You got time [2011-04-02 14:06:44] !devoiceRD [2011-04-02 14:08:02] Ok... [2011-04-02 14:08:02] so [2011-04-02 14:08:05] PvP Protection [2011-04-02 14:08:08] at the moment [2011-04-02 14:08:16] it protects you from gold and xp loss [2011-04-02 14:08:22] but excludes you from the ladder [2011-04-02 14:08:33] I think it should just not work if you are opt-ed in to the ladder [2011-04-02 14:08:43] and if you are not in the ladder [2011-04-02 14:08:55] it will protect your xp and gold [2011-04-02 14:09:02] unless you attack another players [2011-04-02 14:09:03] BUT [2011-04-02 14:09:09] i think there should be an upper limit [2011-04-02 14:09:14] on the amount of gold it will [2011-04-02 14:09:31] so a single player with PvP Protection [2011-04-02 14:09:37] can't be used as a safe bank [2011-04-02 14:09:39] for everyones gold :) [2011-04-02 14:09:46] BUT (second one) [2011-04-02 14:09:59] I think the FSP cost should be reduced if this is the case [2011-04-02 14:10:04] Thoughts? [2011-04-02 14:10:07] =-= Mode #fallensword -m by PonyT [2011-04-02 14:10:08] Agreed. :) [2011-04-02 14:10:08] hoofmaster: will we be recieving our 25FSP back. with the update destroying its effect and everyone that want to can then re-purchace.. and some at a higher XP than previosaly bought at.. Its a win/win senario (PvP Protection should be Auto-Optout... without waiting till next reset- You pay, you get :D) [2011-04-02 14:10:09] agreed [2011-04-02 14:10:10] First off [2011-04-02 14:10:11] what is the max? [2011-04-02 14:10:11] I like that hoof [2011-04-02 14:10:11] i would not reduce the cost [2011-04-02 14:10:12] agreed [2011-04-02 14:10:12] I like where this is heading [2011-04-02 14:10:13] Sounds good to me [2011-04-02 14:10:14] how much are you dropping the cost [2011-04-02 14:10:16] on that amout of gold [2011-04-02 14:10:18] Cheaper yes [2011-04-02 14:10:22] you could pay for how MUCH is being protected [2011-04-02 14:10:27] I think a window should open for say 10min after a deposit! [2011-04-02 14:10:28] agreed, the current costs are entirely too high' [2011-04-02 14:10:32] Like 100k x amount to protect and 1m more [2011-04-02 14:10:33] perhaps a scale on how much you can protect over a max, for additional fsp [2011-04-02 14:10:33] Good idea PonyT [2011-04-02 14:10:35] like FDIC [2011-04-02 14:10:42] basically insurance on your money [2011-04-02 14:10:42] Not sure Hoof, it DOES sound good in principle. However would it be possible to tailor it depending on level? [2011-04-02 14:10:50] especially if cost is reduced,,give and take [2011-04-02 14:10:53] Doom [2011-04-02 14:10:54] how much gold limit will be ? [2011-04-02 14:10:58] there is a problem with that [2011-04-02 14:10:59] i was thinking same doom, maybe 1 mill for each 100 levels? [2011-04-02 14:11:00] that sounds pretty good to me [2011-04-02 14:11:03] just have a high end buff control the protection, anything else they should use mp [2011-04-02 14:11:03] ummm [2011-04-02 14:11:04] I mean, I make quite a bit of gold per hunt [2011-04-02 14:11:08] =/ [2011-04-02 14:11:09] in that some folks at lower levels are buying it [2011-04-02 14:11:09] and there should be a limit based on level, i think [2011-04-02 14:11:12] I like that shardoom, perhaps based off the max someone can earn in a hunt based on thier stamina also? [2011-04-02 14:11:15] Apparently no one reads my forum posts. I already siuggested the idea and no one ever commented. [2011-04-02 14:11:15] So how much will it actually protect? A percent or can you choose how much? [2011-04-02 14:11:20] X gold for every level is protected, above that it isn't [2011-04-02 14:11:21] and holding enormous sums [2011-04-02 14:11:23] Why not just make it share a relationship with the fsp to purchase the protection? [2011-04-02 14:11:24] level limit ok [2011-04-02 14:11:25] (is my idea) [2011-04-02 14:11:37] IE you spend 10 fsp you protect 10 million [2011-04-02 14:11:42] hmmm [2011-04-02 14:11:46] you spend 20 you protect 20 [2011-04-02 14:11:46] that protected by level is good [2011-04-02 14:11:50] NO I don't like that IDEA AT ALL [2011-04-02 14:11:52] make it about 500k per 10 levels or so? [2011-04-02 14:11:55] i agree pony [2011-04-02 14:12:00] Chazz: how would you like to see it changed? [2011-04-02 14:12:01] a lvl 100 can protect 5mill [2011-04-02 14:12:02] hi [2011-04-02 14:12:03] not that much though [2011-04-02 14:12:04] spimds gppd tp ,e [2011-04-02 14:12:04] that's really cheap [2011-04-02 14:12:12] yeah way too cheap [2011-04-02 14:12:19] Well I am ok with seeing it designed by level that's fine [2011-04-02 14:12:21] or 250 per ten levels [2011-04-02 14:12:22] but... [2011-04-02 14:12:23] make it alot less gold per level, but based on level [2011-04-02 14:12:25] either way the mega bank is a problem im glad has been noticed [2011-04-02 14:12:28] so no one can play the MP [2011-04-02 14:12:31] it has to be fair as well [2011-04-02 14:12:35] based in level seems like a good idea [2011-04-02 14:12:36] but people who change large amounts are safe [2011-04-02 14:12:41] But how much will it cost? Will the protection become more expensive the higher your level is? [2011-04-02 14:12:44] we can't have a level 59 person holding 60 million in gold [2011-04-02 14:12:44] what is MP pony? [2011-04-02 14:12:47] that's just not right [2011-04-02 14:12:49] market place [2011-04-02 14:12:51] Chazz: exactly [2011-04-02 14:12:54] market place [2011-04-02 14:13:00] yup [2011-04-02 14:13:04] ohh [2011-04-02 14:13:05] Wait why is that not okay? [2011-04-02 14:13:08] So what would be reasonable by level? [2011-04-02 14:13:12] by every 10 levels? [2011-04-02 14:13:17] good question..... [2011-04-02 14:13:21] or make it to where you can only protect after lvl 100 [2011-04-02 14:13:26] what did I miss? [2011-04-02 14:13:27] ok... so by level is it possible to change the cost of the protection and make it known it will only protect so much [2011-04-02 14:13:27] since before that you don't make much gold period [2011-04-02 14:13:29] Each 10 levels will protect 1,000 gold [2011-04-02 14:13:30] :P [2011-04-02 14:13:31] Evil: Because of the banking buisness people seem to have adopted [2011-04-02 14:13:31] How about x amount of gold per PvP band? [2011-04-02 14:13:36] oh god!!! [2011-04-02 14:13:38] What I mean is that a level 50 can't hold 50 million gold [2011-04-02 14:13:39] noooooo hooof [2011-04-02 14:13:41] if you make it by levels it encourages people to make multi accounts [2011-04-02 14:13:42] waaaaaaay too low [2011-04-02 14:13:43] Just messing :) [2011-04-02 14:13:44] whoa no, far to low [2011-04-02 14:13:45] nooooo more than 1k [2011-04-02 14:13:46] lol [2011-04-02 14:13:46] how about protect xp and gold is 200fsp, protect xp is 100fsp? [2011-04-02 14:13:48] heart attack [2011-04-02 14:13:55] make it based on a percentage of lvl and max stam [2011-04-02 14:13:56] april fools was YESTERDAY hoofy ;) [2011-04-02 14:13:57] 1k gold is too little would mean a level 1K player can only protect a mill [2011-04-02 14:13:58] but at the same time that doesn't mean a level 11k player should be able to safely hold 300 million either [2011-04-02 14:13:59] If you buy PvP protion you should get 100% of protection. Otherwise it wouldnt ber very goot prection. [2011-04-02 14:13:59] heeh [2011-04-02 14:13:59] are we still on april 1st in hoof time? [2011-04-02 14:13:59] good thing! man! [2011-04-02 14:14:05] ok so [2011-04-02 14:14:07] i liked your idea hoof [2011-04-02 14:14:07] thinking about [2011-04-02 14:14:09] say a level 500 [2011-04-02 14:14:15] how much gold should be protected [2011-04-02 14:14:15] 1000 gold per ten levels [2011-04-02 14:14:18] I liked the sound of 1 million per 100 levels tbh. It wouldn't cover my entire hunted gold, but thats good too, would mean that you'd have to at least try and do 'something' with it to keep it safe. [2011-04-02 14:14:21] good point [2011-04-02 14:14:27] But there are people that stay in the sub 100 range that have spent thousands on equipment, and have been playing for 2 years plus. they just like that range. But they cant protect gold? [2011-04-02 14:14:28] buying pvp protection should be from PvP period... [2011-04-02 14:14:30] just saying [2011-04-02 14:14:34] yeah [2011-04-02 14:14:37] forget about protecting gold, too much trouble. Protect xp, that will satisfy most people. xp cannot be turned into fsp in the marketplace, nor stashed in the AH in potions, or given to someone else, it needs protection (for those that value it) [2011-04-02 14:14:38] IF you change it [2011-04-02 14:14:39] was thinking maybe 10-100k per 10 levels.... [2011-04-02 14:14:40] same here shar [2011-04-02 14:14:41] Look at the Bothilds set. 900 fsps a peice? [2011-04-02 14:14:41] make it called something else [2011-04-02 14:14:43] and cheaper [2011-04-02 14:14:47] this is only protecting it from opted-out pvp attacks [2011-04-02 14:14:52] is this closing soon? I would like to get back to the game already [2011-04-02 14:14:52] yea [2011-04-02 14:14:53] that number sounds fair shardoom [2011-04-02 14:14:54] that's the point [2011-04-02 14:14:57] protect as much gold as xp can be lost by a single hit .. perhaps [2011-04-02 14:14:58] you're saying that 100k will be protected at lvl 1000? bit mean no? [2011-04-02 14:15:04] people who don't want pvp period will opt out and buy protection [2011-04-02 14:15:13] if it only protects their xp and a bit of gold [2011-04-02 14:15:17] that's not protection at all [2011-04-02 14:15:19] send: unknown [2011-04-02 14:15:35] call it something like safe morgue? [2011-04-02 14:15:35] I'm fine with pvp protection protecting both xp and gold off the pvp ladder. I haven't really seen any [2011-04-02 14:15:36] XD [2011-04-02 14:15:36] Pony: what are you thinking? [2011-04-02 14:15:38] hi [2011-04-02 14:15:39] so no one takes your wallet [2011-04-02 14:15:40] "player banks" [2011-04-02 14:15:42] give it a new name [2011-04-02 14:15:47] to reduce effects of PvP defeat [2011-04-02 14:15:52] fortknox [2011-04-02 14:15:54] no xp loss if bought [2011-04-02 14:15:55] Shardoom put for for every 100 levels a player obtains, his pvp protection will protect 1 million gold [2011-04-02 14:15:57] ooooo [2011-04-02 14:15:58] for sure [2011-04-02 14:15:59] IDEA [2011-04-02 14:16:01] :D [2011-04-02 14:16:04] what about [2011-04-02 14:16:05] 200k for every 10 levels maybe? [2011-04-02 14:16:07] Ahh. Ok. I will stick around but I hope it ends in the next half an hour. IT has already gone through an hour [2011-04-02 14:16:07] it protects xp [2011-04-02 14:16:09] You're welcome hoof ;) [2011-04-02 14:16:17] and reduces gold loss from PvP by like 90% [2011-04-02 14:16:20] or something along those lines? [2011-04-02 14:16:24] ok [2011-04-02 14:16:26] what IF we made xp protection and gold protection separate buys? ;) [2011-04-02 14:16:27] sounds good [2011-04-02 14:16:28] people cry on the forums about XP loss, thats all they care about, if you carry 10m on you, you deserve to be hit. [2011-04-02 14:16:30] oooh [2011-04-02 14:16:30] it works [2011-04-02 14:16:33] even better hoofy [2011-04-02 14:16:39] will MT work still? [2011-04-02 14:16:44] (90% is a random number) [2011-04-02 14:16:46] MT? [2011-04-02 14:16:47] good idea! [2011-04-02 14:16:49] whats MT now? [2011-04-02 14:16:50] Does MT work properly anyway? [2011-04-02 14:16:50] 90% yes [2011-04-02 14:16:51] 80% is good [2011-04-02 14:16:53] Master Thief [2011-04-02 14:16:54] seperate.... [2011-04-02 14:16:54] MT = master thief [2011-04-02 14:16:54] but hoof [2011-04-02 14:16:56] master thief [2011-04-02 14:16:58] No Hoof, the protection has to be absolute or else its worthless. The upper limit idea is a 'decent' compromise though. [2011-04-02 14:17:00] see there is an upside to this [2011-04-02 14:17:02] agreed RD on being hit..carrying to much gold. [2011-04-02 14:17:08] making protection like thi to where people can still be hit [2011-04-02 14:17:09] do a percentage Hoof... say if they have a max stam that lets them earn 10 mil only be able to protect maybe 60% [2011-04-02 14:17:15] a hitter is still losing stam XD [2011-04-02 14:17:19] i dont think it should protect gold [2011-04-02 14:17:22] iv neevr seen MT work in my life :( [2011-04-02 14:17:29] I have [2011-04-02 14:17:30] thats the risk you take holing the gold on your character [2011-04-02 14:17:31] Master theif is messed up and I like that it's random but I only see it like once a month lol [2011-04-02 14:17:33] an automated gold>dots option would be cool, save going to the mp [2011-04-02 14:17:37] 75% - 90 is very fair [2011-04-02 14:17:39] but guys stam is bad [2011-04-02 14:17:43] We could chance it to XP only [2011-04-02 14:17:43] i think it should be removed [2011-04-02 14:17:44] and can I get a buff like bodyguard but walks around behind me and finds the lost gold :P [2011-04-02 14:17:44] not everyone has EPIC stam[2011-04-02 14:17:46] but im not sure that is good [2011-04-02 14:17:48] Pvp protection should be just for XP... whats the point of Enhancements protect gold,deflect and player bank ?? [2011-04-02 14:17:51] opt out to protect xp only, don't protect gold. simple. [2011-04-02 14:17:58] hello raiyt :) [2011-04-02 14:17:58] i think the FSP cost could be reduced them too tho [2011-04-02 14:18:03] Hoofmaster: Is there anywhere that tells you at what % master thief will work when its at 100%, because it doesn work 100% of the time, obviousaly and I can't find anywhere on the wiki and such.. [2011-04-02 14:18:04] changing it to xp only would be almost pointless, we have an xp lock. [2011-04-02 14:18:04] Xp only, thats what thhe forums moan about, not gold. [2011-04-02 14:18:06] if it only reduces the %age of gold [2011-04-02 14:18:12] All around I like the ideas today [2011-04-02 14:18:13] you have to hit 500 people to see an MT work or start a bounty its higher probabilty there... At least for me [2011-04-02 14:18:14] hoof - i think there should be one for gold, and seperate sounds good, but a cap on guild [2011-04-02 14:18:18] *gold* [2011-04-02 14:18:19] ever thought of having a more advanced banking system? [2011-04-02 14:18:20] MT needs fixed imo ... it only kicks maybe 1 in 25 tries [2011-04-02 14:18:20] easy guys [2011-04-02 14:18:24] Going fast again [2011-04-02 14:18:33] Spaz2: it's about ~5% when maxed [2011-04-02 14:18:36] ...with 100% ability' [2011-04-02 14:18:36] yes MT needs to be fixed it's far too low I agree [2011-04-02 14:18:37] ok was at work is there a summary [2011-04-02 14:18:37] I do not understand what you would be accomplishing with that Hoof/ [2011-04-02 14:18:41] GG - once every 25 times? ive seen it activate once [2011-04-02 14:18:48] me too PB [2011-04-02 14:18:49] well to think about it [2011-04-02 14:18:54] it is pretty low [2011-04-02 14:18:57] i get mt'd a few times a day on the board [2011-04-02 14:18:58] people buy Protection to keep from being hit [2011-04-02 14:18:59] xp only [2011-04-02 14:19:01] but if we take away that [2011-04-02 14:19:06] it has to have some benefit for money [2011-04-02 14:19:09] it's not pretty low... it's extremely low lol [2011-04-02 14:19:09] that IS part of PvP [2011-04-02 14:19:12] there is a difference [2011-04-02 14:19:13] so just hit more [2011-04-02 14:19:18] I do constant gold hits ... thats about the norm ... most are a 10% take with 100% in MT [2011-04-02 14:19:21] But I do not support a gold protection plan [2011-04-02 14:19:23] I think the set % reduction is great [2011-04-02 14:19:26] people will buy both [2011-04-02 14:19:26] add the XP taken from player to their your XP will make up for any losses [2011-04-02 14:19:29] Hoof, right now quite a lot of people spend the 10 FSP option to protect their gold while they hunt. exp lock protects the exp when you're done. If you even add the 'chance' that players can lose their gold, then you make the rather expensive option useless. [2011-04-02 14:19:32] Call it near death or something [2011-04-02 14:19:33] or last stand [2011-04-02 14:19:37] or unkillable [2011-04-02 14:19:42] i gtg - later guys! [2011-04-02 14:19:46] so that way you retain lots of gold, and no xp loss [2011-04-02 14:19:47] Hoofmaster: Sorry, is there a more precise number than about.. Would we beable to get an exact number calculation on every Ehancement at some point.. Unless there is alreasy one then please point me in that direction :D [2011-04-02 14:19:50] it's worth paying for [2011-04-02 14:19:54] the idea of protecting 100k gold per level or ten levels was a great idea [2011-04-02 14:19:58] i don't see the point of spending ten dots to protect gold, counter productive imo [2011-04-02 14:19:59] i like the idea of the protection up to a X gold per X levels would be fine, enough to protect your gold while you hunt. sell potions, buffs etc etc, but not allow someone to sit with 300 million gold, and if you went across the barrier of say 10 million gold you are open up for a pvp attack for gold only [2011-04-02 14:20:00] not EVERYTHING has to be perfect, some people like to be able to use money [2011-04-02 14:20:08] we do not support market place control [2011-04-02 14:20:08] To opt out of the risk of losing anything should be at a high price [2011-04-02 14:20:17] 100k per 10 levels is good [2011-04-02 14:20:20] Of course you wouldn't chazz as thats how you make bank. I think the general sentiment here is to do whats in the best interests of everyone though and not just in protecting our ownb interests [2011-04-02 14:20:22] The prices are too low currently [2011-04-02 14:20:32] Sust, you're quite low level. higher levels get more gold, it's simple math really. [2011-04-02 14:20:34] dougmines do NOT attack people personally [2011-04-02 14:20:36] this is your ONLY warning [2011-04-02 14:20:37] and I apologise to everyone but I go onto FS to kill players and steal from them and if monsters had whitty random stuff they pmed me id hit them more too [2011-04-02 14:20:44] i realize that [2011-04-02 14:20:54] I'm not protecting my interests ... I'm being fair [2011-04-02 14:20:54] I couldn't care less about gold, but I don't see why I should lose a fairly large portion of XP because someone hit me. [2011-04-02 14:21:02] we have market place control and you all knwo it [2011-04-02 14:21:03] Pony I need, no more, later [2011-04-02 14:21:04] drop it guys stay on topic [2011-04-02 14:21:09] ok guyess is no summary hard to join in when u dont know whats been decided [2011-04-02 14:21:10] that's why we are discussing this [2011-04-02 14:21:11] perhaps adjust the price more according to level [2011-04-02 14:21:19] grendle- agreed :) [2011-04-02 14:21:21] or price/max stam [2011-04-02 14:21:25] ok guys [2011-04-02 14:21:29] hades u and i both must wait till they end convo... then hoof gives summery [2011-04-02 14:21:29] well [2011-04-02 14:21:31] 100k gold protection per level seemed fair what's wrong with that idea? [2011-04-02 14:21:33] keep it on topic and slow for hoof to catch up on [2011-04-02 14:21:35] that is great [2011-04-02 14:21:38] the other option is to split the upgrade [2011-04-02 14:21:40] ever 100 levels is 1m [2011-04-02 14:21:43] It strikes me that the game has always had an xp loss component -- we all started playing with that assumption - -and it removes some of the thrill and risk by diminishing that part of the game [2011-04-02 14:21:51] i think that over complicates it [2011-04-02 14:21:58] it would hoof [2011-04-02 14:22:06] over complicates what is lost here [2011-04-02 14:22:10] just keep gold loss, and stop xp loss. [2011-04-02 14:22:12] i don;t think the price would need to be changed, ie you are level 300 for 10 fsp you can get 24 hour protection for up to 3 million gold and not subject to xp loss providing you are opted out of the ladder. if you are opted in the ladder, that upgrade should be greyed out [2011-04-02 14:22:16] I think the by level is just fair enough and good enoguh to keep things interesting [2011-04-02 14:22:32] Hoofmaster: Sorry, is there a more precise number than about.. Would we beable to get an exact number calculation on every Ehancement at some point.. Unless there is alreasy one then please point me in that direction :D [2011-04-02 14:22:36] Then that is catering to theives, it has to be fair to everyone [2011-04-02 14:22:38] so assuming it was by level [2011-04-02 14:22:42] at level 500 [2011-04-02 14:22:45] +1 RD [2011-04-02 14:22:47] people should be able to keep some cash [2011-04-02 14:22:56] it would protect 5m [2011-04-02 14:22:57] it does amuse me that people toss FSP into a sink to protect themselfs from people like me tho so keep the price high! [2011-04-02 14:22:59] right? [2011-04-02 14:23:03] Yes. [2011-04-02 14:23:11] well [2011-04-02 14:23:11] Have we talked about xp loss and dlevelling today????? [2011-04-02 14:23:13] up to 5m [2011-04-02 14:23:18] yes, and maybe make an absolute cap of 10 mill ? [2011-04-02 14:23:24] that is fine [2011-04-02 14:23:28] tal [2011-04-02 14:23:29] 10m absolute cap would be fine [2011-04-02 14:23:32] even a cap at 5 mill would be enough really [2011-04-02 14:23:33] thats at lvl 1k anyway [2011-04-02 14:23:37] in a hunt though who gets 5million? [2011-04-02 14:23:39] apparently it is a bug that will be corrected [2011-04-02 14:23:43] yes I support that [2011-04-02 14:23:48] the BB board bug will get fixed tongiht :) [2011-04-02 14:23:50] don't worry :) [2011-04-02 14:23:50] 10 mil cap [2011-04-02 14:23:53] sounds good hoof [2011-04-02 14:23:55] 10 mil cap or 5 mil cap? [2011-04-02 14:23:57] sweet [2011-04-02 14:23:58] so would you just take a %age above 5m? and only if they had pvp protection? [2011-04-02 14:23:59] a lot of people do whammies, i do if i take off sacrifice, and many have way more xp than i do [2011-04-02 14:24:00] 10mill7 [2011-04-02 14:24:01] I'm ok with a 10 mill maximum cap too :) [2011-04-02 14:24:01] 5 million is more than enough to FF gear [2011-04-02 14:24:01] 5 [2011-04-02 14:24:05] 10 mil cap [2011-04-02 14:24:06] PB: it would be a normal loss [2011-04-02 14:24:14] PB: but never drop your gold below 10 mil [2011-04-02 14:24:16] it shjould be less then 5 [2011-04-02 14:24:16] 10 mil cap [2011-04-02 14:24:17] (or 5 mil) [2011-04-02 14:24:18] etc. [2011-04-02 14:24:21] so if they hold 5.1m, they could lose 5.1m? [2011-04-02 14:24:21] for the love of a gd woman someone fill me in geez [2011-04-02 14:24:25] 5 [2011-04-02 14:24:27] whammies -- i typically hunt once every 3-4 weeks and burn 30 k stam with pots, so I am getting more than 5 mill every time i hunt -- i am sure Doom gets alot more than that [2011-04-02 14:24:28] 100000 per 10 levels.. and a max at 10 mil.. for those at EOC? [2011-04-02 14:24:30] so basiclaly [2011-04-02 14:24:30] whammie? is that a high stammer? [2011-04-02 14:24:31] I'd be happy if 100 stams took extra gold, but the same XP as a 10 stam hit. [2011-04-02 14:24:35] 10k gold is protected per level? [2011-04-02 14:24:46] sure [2011-04-02 14:24:48] sounds good [2011-04-02 14:24:50] yea [2011-04-02 14:24:51] this is only for pvp protection though? [2011-04-02 14:24:51] yeah that sounds good [2011-04-02 14:24:54] yeah [2011-04-02 14:24:56] PvP Protection [2011-04-02 14:24:57] Up till 1K where you hit the limit, sounds good? [2011-04-02 14:24:57] yes PB [2011-04-02 14:24:58] right [2011-04-02 14:24:58] i think 100stams should take more rating and same xp as 10stam hit [2011-04-02 14:25:03] if you opt-in to the ladder [2011-04-02 14:25:03] yes hoof [2011-04-02 14:25:04] i think it would have to protect all 5 mill, otherwords i see a level 835 with 4.8 mill, i send him 300 k, and all his 5 mill would be on the line, lol [2011-04-02 14:25:05] it won't work [2011-04-02 14:25:06] ok, well its better than what we have now. [2011-04-02 14:25:06] wassa whammie? [2011-04-02 14:25:09] then their will be less BBs [2011-04-02 14:25:20] that's correct Hoof [2011-04-02 14:25:21] Lol [2011-04-02 14:25:21] it won't protect you from bounties either [2011-04-02 14:25:26] correct [2011-04-02 14:25:28] Didn't think so [2011-04-02 14:25:30] and if you attack another player [2011-04-02 14:25:32] at all or only with opted players? [2011-04-02 14:25:33] it will cancel it too [2011-04-02 14:25:36] 10k gold per level yes [2011-04-02 14:25:39] sounds good Hoof ... 10k per level is very acceptable to me [2011-04-02 14:25:42] that's perfect [2011-04-02 14:25:42] this chat hurt my eyes ... anyway anything work for me :) [2011-04-02 14:25:52] lol shindrak [2011-04-02 14:25:56] I pretty much agree with everything today [2011-04-02 14:26:01] whats this 10k per level for? i just got back and im confused... [2011-04-02 14:26:03] me too [2011-04-02 14:26:04] me too shindrajk i have to keep looking at a wall :( [2011-04-02 14:26:09] * Hoofmaster wishes the forum was as good as the chat for discussions :) [2011-04-02 14:26:16] LOL [2011-04-02 14:26:20] :) [2011-04-02 14:26:23] but thats why you love us ;) [2011-04-02 14:26:23] ha ha :D [2011-04-02 14:26:24] gotta have more chats hoof [2011-04-02 14:26:25] lol [2011-04-02 14:26:26] put a chat box on the forum mabbe [2011-04-02 14:26:26] took me an hour to be able to log in here tonight, lol [2011-04-02 14:26:27] it's been constructive tonight [2011-04-02 14:26:30] shall we summarize hoof? [2011-04-02 14:26:35] yes please [2011-04-02 14:26:36] I enjoyed this [2011-04-02 14:26:36] why dont you host a chat hoof? [2011-04-02 14:26:36] frums are so out of turn sometimes, i started 1 responce this morning, was 8 pages later when i finished, lol [2011-04-02 14:26:36] ok so this topic almost closed hoof? [2011-04-02 14:26:37] Mods could help that ;) for the forums hoof [2011-04-02 14:26:38] yes more chats will work for the future [2011-04-02 14:26:39] as i missed it all [2011-04-02 14:26:44] aa: sure [2011-04-02 14:26:49] this chat is going way too fats im missing alot of talk [2011-04-02 14:26:53] Forum mods, what are they? [2011-04-02 14:26:54] hoof i was gojnna ask later, Why not implement somthing like in SS2 into here? a chat room for intire game? [2011-04-02 14:26:56] =-= Mode #fallensword +m by PonyT [2011-04-02 14:26:59] Go ahead hoof [2011-04-02 14:27:03] ok [2011-04-02 14:27:09] so total summary of what we have discussed... [2011-04-02 14:27:40] 1) We're going to add an opt-in for the PvP Ladder which will take effect from the next PvP Ladder reset. [2011-04-02 14:28:05] 2) After level 600, the bands for the PvP Ladder will be 100 levels instead of 50. [2011-04-02 14:28:41] 3) XP Lock will be disabled for PvP attacks if you opt-in to the PvP Ladder [2011-04-02 14:29:05] 4) PvP Protection will be changed to it will only protect 10k gold per level. [2011-04-02 14:29:08] That is all :) [2011-04-02 14:29:32] alright good? [2011-04-02 14:29:36] yup [2011-04-02 14:29:36] :) [2011-04-02 14:29:38] =-= Mode #fallensword -m by PonyT [2011-04-02 14:29:38] Lovee it. Although I feel very ignored LOL. [2011-04-02 14:29:39] Next topic is... PVP token I think yes? [2011-04-02 14:29:41] hoof will all protected gold be protected, or if that bridge is crossed would the whole amount be on the line ? [2011-04-02 14:29:43] You are :P [2011-04-02 14:29:45] Sweet [2011-04-02 14:29:46] Thanks! [2011-04-02 14:29:47] So...what's the point of XP lock at all, if it just disables when you are actually able to be hit? [2011-04-02 14:29:48] Who doesn't [2011-04-02 14:29:51] Hoof : why would i waste fsp on jut gold?? [2011-04-02 14:29:53] hrm no voice [2011-04-02 14:29:57] Can I ask an off-topic question about the new buffs? [2011-04-02 14:30:03] pvp lock will only be disabled for the ladder i think [2011-04-02 14:30:07] why should i protect myself from just gold? why not everything? [2011-04-02 14:30:08] wait, protection doesn't work? [2011-04-02 14:30:09] Yep none [2011-04-02 14:30:10] quick question that was never answered for me Hoof ... I will still be able to make gold hits without opting into anything as long as my taget doesnt have PvP protection? [2011-04-02 14:30:14] that was temp [2011-04-02 14:30:16] PvP Protection also protects all your xp [2011-04-02 14:30:20] yes GG [2011-04-02 14:30:22] only the gold part has been changed [2011-04-02 14:30:24] yeah GG [2011-04-02 14:30:33] mitz pfp protection will still protect your xp, and your gold up to an X value [2011-04-02 14:30:34] seriously though only 10k per 10 levels :( [2011-04-02 14:30:35] GG: yes [2011-04-02 14:30:36] protection does not protect gold?? [2011-04-02 14:30:40] allrighty [2011-04-02 14:30:40] thank you =) [2011-04-02 14:30:43] then we get refunded? [2011-04-02 14:30:44] Thanks for clearing it up [2011-04-02 14:30:44] can bounty hits in ladder be increased? [2011-04-02 14:30:46] 10k per level [2011-04-02 14:30:48] not per 10 levels [2011-04-02 14:30:50] ss2 style chat in game would really boost fs ratings i reckon (just saying) [2011-04-02 14:30:51] whoops [2011-04-02 14:30:52] ignore me XD [2011-04-02 14:30:54] so 100k per 10 levels :P [2011-04-02 14:31:01] Don't doubt it [2011-04-02 14:31:10] you will be safe for 10.02m boff [2011-04-02 14:31:15] Hoofmaster, if protection does not protect gold, does that mean we get refunded if we have it? [2011-04-02 14:31:16] capped at 10m [2011-04-02 14:31:24] Will the price for PvP protection get reduced, assuming it does not give the same protection, as now? [2011-04-02 14:31:30] so can people still attack for gold, exp loss, and prestige outside of the PvP ladder? [2011-04-02 14:31:33] I just have to wonder whether opt-in will completely destroy the ladder as it is. [2011-04-02 14:31:38] It is still protected [2011-04-02 14:31:40] Perhaps at the end, if you have time. :) [2011-04-02 14:31:43] but it's keeping others from playing the MP [2011-04-02 14:31:47] it's not perfect but it's fair [2011-04-02 14:31:53] ItsMe: possibly [2011-04-02 14:31:55] Next topic? [2011-04-02 14:31:56] no it won't destroy it, the harcore pvp'ers will be sated [2011-04-02 14:31:57] ItsMe: what do you think would be fair? [2011-04-02 14:31:59] PVP tokens? [2011-04-02 14:32:03] well as I bought it just this once [2011-04-02 14:32:05] Chazz: sure - but one second plz [2011-04-02 14:32:06] the ladder will be harder which is good! [2011-04-02 14:32:09] ok [2011-04-02 14:32:09] is a bummer [2011-04-02 14:32:11] oh well [2011-04-02 14:32:23] i was against it protecting gold, so will live with it [2011-04-02 14:32:23] so lets say boeffie has 9.9 mill on her, bry sends her 200K gold and attacks, is her whole 10.1 mill on the lind, or just the 100K over ? [2011-04-02 14:32:24] If we change the price - we'll refund the FSP difference :) [2011-04-02 14:32:30] hoofmaster: will we be recieving our 25FSP back for out XP locks. with the update destroying its effect for those PvPers and everyone that want to can then re-purchace.. and some at a higher XP than previosaly bought at.. Its a win/win senario for all! [2011-04-02 14:32:31] Can we have a five minute coffee break? lol [2011-04-02 14:32:33] RD: please stop reading my mind [2011-04-02 14:32:34] :P [2011-04-02 14:32:37] hoof question for u seeing ur here pvp protection doesnt protect u from the effects from spell leech during a gvg will u change that think most ppl use it for lvling so they dont lose there xp booosters etc [2011-04-02 14:32:38] lmao [2011-04-02 14:32:42] for 60 fsp worth of protection [2011-04-02 14:32:43] Hoof caqn we get a option in player seach for only those on our ladder and opted in [2011-04-02 14:32:44] easy guys [2011-04-02 14:32:46] can you look into fixing the MT rate when 100% of the ability is active please Hoof? [2011-04-02 14:33:02] GreatGazoo, i've been MT'd twice in the last week [2011-04-02 14:33:03] Spaz2: no - the xp lock will stay the same [2011-04-02 14:33:03] GG on topic [2011-04-02 14:33:04] yes grendle, i asked that is coming, also asked for an attack all button, no answer to that yet [2011-04-02 14:33:08] opt in search filters sounds a good idea [2011-04-02 14:33:18] We'll look to add an attack all button with the new map system :) [2011-04-02 14:33:20] ARE WE STYILL TALKIN BOUT PVP PROTECTION???? [2011-04-02 14:33:21] I believe Hoof mentioned that the protected amount is protected, end of story, like an xp lock. [2011-04-02 14:33:22] ie: if someone has 10.1 milgold..they can only lose100K? which i think is fair [2011-04-02 14:33:24] whoots !! [2011-04-02 14:33:26] sorry about caps [2011-04-02 14:33:31] im bein ignored [2011-04-02 14:33:31] WOO love that idea hoof [2011-04-02 14:33:35] Maehdros- That's precisely what I heard from it. [2011-04-02 14:33:38] okies [2011-04-02 14:33:39] oh that sounds better [2011-04-02 14:33:40] Thats what I saw too Mae. [2011-04-02 14:33:40] ok so... [2011-04-02 14:33:44] Sounds fun [2011-04-02 14:33:47] sumary time? [2011-04-02 14:33:48] what do you think would be a fairer price for the PvP Protection [2011-04-02 14:33:49] Hoof : Why cant IE play on fallensword beta? [2011-04-02 14:33:50] attack all wouuld be sweet but yes thank you! it will make it earier to see and less facedesking at looking up 100s who opted out [2011-04-02 14:33:52] with the gold changes applied? [2011-04-02 14:33:58] i think it is fair as it is [2011-04-02 14:33:58] but still means i suddenly have to get rid of gold [2011-04-02 14:33:59] mit: its not ready for IE yet [2011-04-02 14:34:01] cos IE is crap [2011-04-02 14:34:02] - 5 fsp off what it is now [2011-04-02 14:34:03] XD [2011-04-02 14:34:05] talalm, yes, we're still talking about pvp protection (read topic) [2011-04-02 14:34:08] or a 30% reduction [2011-04-02 14:34:09] hoof, for the remaining gold - is there going to be a modifier applied? IE, the protection will reduce gold stolen by 50% [2011-04-02 14:34:10] mit: hopefully it will be by the end if this week :) [2011-04-02 14:34:16] aa: no [2011-04-02 14:34:21] Never buy it. Can't help [2011-04-02 14:34:22] Thanks :( [2011-04-02 14:34:23] well i liked pvp protection when i dumped 2k fsp in the mp wont be doing that again [2011-04-02 14:34:26] :) [2011-04-02 14:34:27] you can;t have 1K players protecting 10 mill for a measly 5 fsp, lol [2011-04-02 14:34:28] I think 7 fsp is ok per day, Hoofmaster [2011-04-02 14:34:28] I would suggest that the PvP protection price be a sliding scale, since it does less good for those of lower levels. [2011-04-02 14:34:29] 5 - 10 - 50 [2011-04-02 14:34:32] lol. Will i be able to help test IE before implented? or will i just expect glitches? [2011-04-02 14:34:35] maybe we should just keep the ladder the way it is. If we keep changing, it seems like its just getting harder and harder to please everyone. [2011-04-02 14:34:43] well [2011-04-02 14:34:46] This is messed up, my gold is more important than my levels. [2011-04-02 14:34:46] thanks for that too,,id like to see IE run smoothly and then I can use it again [2011-04-02 14:34:47] make it like buying bulk [2011-04-02 14:34:54] laddeer looks good to me [2011-04-02 14:34:54] if you buy more days make a price cut [2011-04-02 14:34:58] Something in the range of 25% (preferable)-50% of current procing. Already without the full gold protection, XP lock would be cheaper (depending on max stamina) as it is not time limited [2011-04-02 14:35:02] Perhaps a 25% reduction in current prices would be fair? [2011-04-02 14:35:10] I'm actually thinking 5 fsp for a day, 30 fsp for a week, and 100 fsp for a month. [2011-04-02 14:35:12] yeah, so 7 fsp per day? [2011-04-02 14:35:12] please make sure..any.. attack...is still bountyable..for this update.It's the key..to risk in pvp.. whether its for rating..or a simplegold hit [2011-04-02 14:35:15] so half the prices for now. [2011-04-02 14:35:22] maybe 5 / 30 / 100? [2011-04-02 14:35:25] 10 FSP per 100 levels seems a good starting point? [2011-04-02 14:35:28] that sounds good hoof [2011-04-02 14:35:29] ye [2011-04-02 14:35:33] Applied to the week and month options only. the 24 hour option seems fine as it is tbh. [2011-04-02 14:35:36] hi anemie [2011-04-02 14:35:39] seems pretty low to be honest Hoofmaster [2011-04-02 14:35:39] lol GG be real [2011-04-02 14:35:47] still protects quite a lot [2011-04-02 14:35:50] boe: you think? [2011-04-02 14:35:51] b ut not all [2011-04-02 14:36:00] it keeps someone from hoarding masively [2011-04-02 14:36:01] yeah, think 7 would be better [2011-04-02 14:36:05] maybe 6 [2011-04-02 14:36:05] maybe 5 fsp for level 500 and under, 10 fsp for 500 and over? [2011-04-02 14:36:06] maybe 10 / 30 / 100? [2011-04-02 14:36:13] 7 is a 30% decrease [2011-04-02 14:36:14] Well guys I have been here an hour and a half. I have buisnes to attend. So I must go. Sorry. [2011-04-02 14:36:16] isn't that the same? [2011-04-02 14:36:20] 7, 30, 100 [2011-04-02 14:36:20] maybe 7 / 30 / 100? [2011-04-02 14:36:23] 10/50/200 [2011-04-02 14:36:24] yes [2011-04-02 14:36:24] yea hoof,,that works [2011-04-02 14:36:25] that's fair [2011-04-02 14:36:26] hoof : (sorry to go backwards alittle) But would we be able to test the IE on alpha before applied to game? [2011-04-02 14:36:28] hoofmaster can you also change it that buffs dont work on you if you have pvp protection [2011-04-02 14:36:30] remember ... you ARE playing a PvP game ... us PvPers arent playing a leveling game and trying to opt out =/ [2011-04-02 14:36:33] Whoa slow down guys!! [2011-04-02 14:36:34] mit: oh yes :) [2011-04-02 14:36:38] hades stay on topic [2011-04-02 14:36:43] I like the cost where it is [2011-04-02 14:36:45] so you dont get leeched or spell broke [2011-04-02 14:36:53] allrighty thanks. =) Wont have to worry bout a glitchy game then. =) [2011-04-02 14:36:54] GG makes a great point [2011-04-02 14:37:01] hades, you canblock buffs [2011-04-02 14:37:06] ok [2011-04-02 14:37:09] final topic [2011-04-02 14:37:11] 50% decrease for sub 100 levels, 25% decrease for everyone else? [2011-04-02 14:37:13] PvP Tokens [2011-04-02 14:37:15] =-= Mode #fallensword +m by PonyT [2011-04-02 14:37:25] =-= PonyT has changed the topic to ``Topic is PvP tokens'' [2011-04-02 14:37:34] Are you happy with the PvP Token distribution the way it is? [2011-04-02 14:37:45] Are there any other comments you would like to make regarding them? [2011-04-02 14:37:47] (unmute plz) [2011-04-02 14:37:51] =-= Mode #fallensword -m by PonyT [2011-04-02 14:37:54] Remove them. [2011-04-02 14:37:54] BEGIN! [2011-04-02 14:37:55] i think less often would be better [2011-04-02 14:37:55] XD [2011-04-02 14:37:58] if the brackets are combined.. combine the token total [2011-04-02 14:37:59] If band are larger, more reward should be allowed [2011-04-02 14:38:00] Well [2011-04-02 14:38:02] now that the spread for the upper levels is higher they may need to be looked at [2011-04-02 14:38:02] no tokens? [2011-04-02 14:38:04] More compontent items with more risk [2011-04-02 14:38:04] maybe 3 tokens for 2nd place and add a hew more spots for the ladders above 600? [2011-04-02 14:38:11] maybe more of a stretch in lower levels [2011-04-02 14:38:18] as it was i was happy but it seems like there will be more effort and therefore should have more reward. But new gear can balance it that way too [2011-04-02 14:38:18] ie: 5,2,1..for a single 50 level band..would be 16 total for a 100 level band [2011-04-02 14:38:19] it's about distribution guys [2011-04-02 14:38:20] 5 places [2011-04-02 14:38:21] I think the ladder should last longer so in turn there are less tokens given out [2011-04-02 14:38:24] yes [2011-04-02 14:38:25] Please stretch it out 1-10th place rewards, something along those lines.. [2011-04-02 14:38:26] Like spaz mentioned eralier we need more pvp gear [2011-04-02 14:38:28] expands places by 2 [2011-04-02 14:38:28] less often, but more for second/third [2011-04-02 14:38:29] would be nice [2011-04-02 14:38:35] no. if you want bigger brackets up higher for more targets why should you get more tokens??? [2011-04-02 14:38:37] why less often? [2011-04-02 14:38:42] that makes the bands pointless on a few days [2011-04-02 14:38:47] dont give more in a higher lvl band [2011-04-02 14:38:52] 5/3/1 for levels 1-600, then 5,4,3,2,1 for 600+ [2011-04-02 14:38:54] tokens are fine how they are [2011-04-02 14:38:55] every 24 hrs is pretty much, PonyT [2011-04-02 14:38:57] Yea make al bands equal [2011-04-02 14:38:59] for less players [2011-04-02 14:39:02] so? [2011-04-02 14:39:04] it stops people all rushing 100% of the time and discourages farming [2011-04-02 14:39:04] and maybe more collusion [2011-04-02 14:39:06] id like to see top 5 [2011-04-02 14:39:08] ever band deserves the reward [2011-04-02 14:39:09] thats what I was thinking Pb [2011-04-02 14:39:10] just get rid of tokens altogether. Make pvp about dominance and not about tokens [2011-04-02 14:39:13] the bands time is randome now though right? [2011-04-02 14:39:16] won;t be anymore farming now [2011-04-02 14:39:16] 5 3 2 1 1 [2011-04-02 14:39:17] and make the resets random! [2011-04-02 14:39:20] 5/3/2/1/1 distribution, expand reset time to anywhere between 24-72 hours, thus lengthening average reset time but requiring effort most of the time. [2011-04-02 14:39:26] before... 8 toens were given.. to a single high level50band.. Moew players willpvp in the higher bands... do NOT change #1 spot..simply increase the places [2011-04-02 14:39:27] 5 3 2 1 1 sounds great [2011-04-02 14:39:30] seems to be popular [2011-04-02 14:39:30] yes, no xx.30 rest [2011-04-02 14:39:32] i agree with grendle, and raiyt [2011-04-02 14:39:32] As much as we need more gear, making each reset would be good for dominance medal. reducing madd amounts of gear but sucks for those that have to lait a long time to opt back in or out..... [2011-04-02 14:39:33] +1 for 08:35 < PB> and make the resets random! [2011-04-02 14:39:41] 5 3 2 1 1 yes [2011-04-02 14:39:42] lmao [2011-04-02 14:39:42] as much as we WANT* more gear [2011-04-02 14:39:50] 5 / 3 / 2 / 1 / 1 for all bands? [2011-04-02 14:39:50] no length 24-48 works well [2011-04-02 14:39:51] yep, 5 places, 8 tokens to the first, 5 for 2nd, 4 -3rd, 3- 4rt, 2- 5th and 1 for 6th [2011-04-02 14:39:53] hey sorry I'm new in the chat [2011-04-02 14:39:53] it's a good suggestion [2011-04-02 14:39:55] yes hoof [2011-04-02 14:39:55] quick question... anyplans to integrate the helper as part of fs full on? [2011-04-02 14:39:56] what are we discussing [2011-04-02 14:39:57] that's = [2011-04-02 14:39:58] Do not add more tokens to the game though [2011-04-02 14:40:05] no Hoof [2011-04-02 14:40:07] sust on topic please [2011-04-02 14:40:10] and they're doing it [2011-04-02 14:40:10] only for 600+ [2011-04-02 14:40:10] even more tokens every other day? [2011-04-02 14:40:13] play alpha [2011-04-02 14:40:14] or something like that [2011-04-02 14:40:19] if you make a token change it needs to be for all bands but i do not think there needs to be more. [2011-04-02 14:40:20] dont add more tokens [2011-04-02 14:40:24] 5/4/3/2/1/ and make reset at 36-48hours????? [2011-04-02 14:40:25] PB: it won't add more [2011-04-02 14:40:26] make them work for the tokens [2011-04-02 14:40:30] PB: as we are expanding the bands [2011-04-02 14:40:30] just need 3 spots for the bands under 600 Hoof [2011-04-02 14:40:34] if more tokens, then it should be longer between [2011-04-02 14:40:37] if the 5/3/2/1/1 goes to bands 600 and up, thon;t be anymore tokens than what was there before [2011-04-02 14:40:39] is that just for 600+ then? [2011-04-02 14:40:40] so only 5 places for over 600? [2011-04-02 14:40:42] yes for all bands maybe a few more higher to make up for them doubling but keep 24-48hours [2011-04-02 14:40:46] easy guys [2011-04-02 14:40:52] its a double edged sword.. more tokens means more items..but also..means more items are made..solowered prices..and less for greed....an [2011-04-02 14:40:53] Given the pathetic value of tokens at lower levels, it won't really do much other than flood a few pieces of gear even more unless new stuff is introduced like consumables. [2011-04-02 14:40:54] if so thats cool [2011-04-02 14:40:54] I think adding more tokens may get more in... [2011-04-02 14:41:12] do we need more pvpers mitz? [2011-04-02 14:41:15] more is good [2011-04-02 14:41:17] keep it as it is for lower bands [2011-04-02 14:41:18] maybe, but will mean automatic tokens for some [2011-04-02 14:41:19] i'd like to see price drop XD [2011-04-02 14:41:21] more is not good [2011-04-02 14:41:22] yes [2011-04-02 14:41:24] never even heard of tokens, guess i don't pvp much [2011-04-02 14:41:28] Hoof i absolutely disagree [2011-04-02 14:41:29] 16 tokens should be rewarded for band of 100 levels [2011-04-02 14:41:32] yes keep it as is for lower [2011-04-02 14:41:33] and 5 / 3 / 2 / 1 / 1 at higher bands? [2011-04-02 14:41:34] flooding items..means less profit anyways.. which i like [2011-04-02 14:41:35] no, increasing the placements will bring more into pvp [2011-04-02 14:41:37] lower levels already have level min on gear so it balances [2011-04-02 14:41:38] yes, but maybe make 2nd place worth 3 tokens? [2011-04-02 14:41:39] yes [2011-04-02 14:41:40] is it possible to add new items... with risk of them failing? [2011-04-02 14:41:41] yes hoof [2011-04-02 14:41:44] players should pvp because they enjoy it.. not for greed [2011-04-02 14:41:44] yes hoof [2011-04-02 14:41:53] agree with maehdros [2011-04-02 14:41:54] agreed maehdros [2011-04-02 14:41:56] If anyone has a Reborn Leaf Amulet i can get them an Augilts set :P [2011-04-02 14:42:01] then do the +- ten PvP [2011-04-02 14:42:02] I don't wanna flood the items [2011-04-02 14:42:07] if you opt out you can do it for fun [2011-04-02 14:42:09] thats the problum... only reason people PvP is for greed [2011-04-02 14:42:09] he said new items,,,im excited! [2011-04-02 14:42:10] Spaz2 please keep on topic [2011-04-02 14:42:14] so? [2011-04-02 14:42:16] i used it spaz :) [2011-04-02 14:42:18] flooding items isn't perfect either [2011-04-02 14:42:19] not true at all mitz [2011-04-02 14:42:20] If you enjoy it then enjoy it [2011-04-02 14:42:21] not really [2011-04-02 14:42:22] I PvP for gold! [2011-04-02 14:42:32] and i don't agree mitzi [2011-04-02 14:42:32] I'd like to see more resources [2011-04-02 14:42:35] LOL @ PB =P [2011-04-02 14:42:38] i think some pvp for honor too, i used to disagree but i realise pvp hardcore do have a place in the game [2011-04-02 14:42:39] I like competing with others. Showing skill..against others. [2011-04-02 14:42:40] So should players Bounty Hunt for no gain either then? "just cuz they love it" [2011-04-02 14:42:41] so...higher levels will be getting more targets...and more tokens out there... [2011-04-02 14:42:42] Controvertial I realise, but how about a simple number. 10 for the winner? Would certainly eliminate groups of allies working together to place 1st 2nd and 3rd... [2011-04-02 14:42:43] pvp used to be for gold. Now it seems to only be for the huge pvp prize. [2011-04-02 14:42:44] those who pvp. [2011-04-02 14:42:49] kinda is true to an extent. you dont see the items you can get from pvp at discount prices all the time [2011-04-02 14:42:59] we can like everything without it being exclusive [2011-04-02 14:43:00] So hoof whats the final take on it? [2011-04-02 14:43:00] more targets but less tokens, unless my math is phale [2011-04-02 14:43:03] id like to see more resources that maybe can make legendary pots too [2011-04-02 14:43:10] guys [2011-04-02 14:43:12] Those who bounty hunt should just do it cuz they love it right? durrrr [2011-04-02 14:43:14] topics distrobution [2011-04-02 14:43:17] LOL [2011-04-02 14:43:24] Question [2011-04-02 14:43:25] oh the irony lol [2011-04-02 14:43:26] it's on topic [2011-04-02 14:43:29] =-= cartilige has changed the topic to ``Topic is PvP token distribution'' [2011-04-02 14:43:41] Night Gjwreio[sleep0rz] [2011-04-02 14:43:42] if your are opt'd in the ladder and go on the bb will you lose rating? [2011-04-02 14:43:46] The amouunt of Token gained at 50-599 shouldnt be changed in my view, although there should be extra winning beyond that since there are double the competition [2011-04-02 14:43:47] For the 100 level bands, I propose 5-4-3-2-1 [2011-04-02 14:43:47] he's a bot [2011-04-02 14:43:48] It should be more than 5 in larger band, maybe 6 or 7 [2011-04-02 14:43:48] lmao [2011-04-02 14:43:50] Perhaps have the current amount of tokens for 600+. While having the level 600 below bands having a diffrent amount? [2011-04-02 14:43:53] sorry off topic but the thought jsut hit me [2011-04-02 14:43:56] for the 50 level bands, 5-3-2 sounds fair. [2011-04-02 14:43:57] not more again [2011-04-02 14:44:03] bounty hunting has got a bum rap,,could there be a bounty hunting reward too maybe even make it go with pvp tokens and have new stuff you have to use both with [2011-04-02 14:44:05] I would like to see a PvP opt out, I keep getting deleveled from PvP hits and I dont ever attack. And bounty board doesnt deter attacks, it only causes more. [2011-04-02 14:44:09] no he isn't boeffie gj is real [2011-04-02 14:44:15] ive spoken to him [2011-04-02 14:44:15] aa --- 5, 3, 1 for lower levels [2011-04-02 14:44:16] :P [2011-04-02 14:44:21] I don't think changing it for the lower bands is reuqired. [2011-04-02 14:44:22] man PointyHair you have a bit of humor? [2011-04-02 14:44:27] isn't there already a medal foo BB's? [2011-04-02 14:44:28] grrrr [2011-04-02 14:44:30] 5,3,1 seems good [2011-04-02 14:44:31] #2 will now get 3 and not 2? [2011-04-02 14:44:35] why is pointy here [2011-04-02 14:44:36] we dont need more rewards for bounty hunting. The price on their bounty is reward enough [2011-04-02 14:44:36] lmao [2011-04-02 14:44:42] +1 Spazz [2011-04-02 14:44:45] because they can be boeffie [2011-04-02 14:44:51] The verdict is? [2011-04-02 14:44:53] 10k's nothing [2011-04-02 14:44:56] Bring back the bounty reward! [2011-04-02 14:45:03] Yea! [2011-04-02 14:45:05] bounty pot! [2011-04-02 14:45:07] Again ... I think newer resoucres will help with failure options upon inventing [2011-04-02 14:45:07] that was fun [2011-04-02 14:45:08] yeah! =) [2011-04-02 14:45:08] lol, am only saying because of po+tab, PonyT [2011-04-02 14:45:13] 6,5,3,1,1 rewards for the 100 level bracket? [2011-04-02 14:45:17] 16total [2011-04-02 14:45:22] 7/4/3/2/1 for larger band? [2011-04-02 14:45:23] 5,4,3,2,1,1 [2011-04-02 14:45:24] bounty pot is nice idea, most bountys done gets pot, i like [2011-04-02 14:45:27] ie: same as 2 x the toens of a 50 level bracket [2011-04-02 14:45:30] bounty reward items !!! [2011-04-02 14:45:32] tokens* [2011-04-02 14:45:34] I like PBs suggestion [2011-04-02 14:45:35] No mateture [2011-04-02 14:45:45] what was the bounty reward? [2011-04-02 14:45:46] I like your Idea Mae [2011-04-02 14:45:47] boubty pot was nice but bounty tokens would be cooler [2011-04-02 14:45:50] no not more at larger [2011-04-02 14:45:51] Mat : your numbers seem kinda high... Perhaps a 6/4/3/2/1 for the higher bands... [2011-04-02 14:45:51] 20 fsp [2011-04-02 14:45:53] it use to be [2011-04-02 14:45:54] I like aa0007 liking my suggestion [2011-04-02 14:45:56] ok [2011-04-02 14:46:02] to summarize everything once more -> [2011-04-02 14:46:02] that's a lot of tokens for th higher bands [2011-04-02 14:46:06] bounty reward of the targets PvP rating? [2011-04-02 14:46:08] =-= Mode #fallensword +m by PonyT [2011-04-02 14:46:13] summary time guys [2011-04-02 14:46:43] 1) We're going to add an opt-in for the PvP Ladder which will take effect from the next PvP Ladder reset. [2011-04-02 14:46:43] 2) After level 600, the bands for the PvP Ladder will be 100 levels instead of 50. [2011-04-02 14:46:43] 3) XP Lock will be disabled for PvP attacks if you opt-in to the PvP Ladder. [2011-04-02 14:46:43] 4) PvP Protection will be changed to it will only protect 10k gold per level (capped at 10 million gold protected). XP protection will be unchanged. [2011-04-02 14:46:44] 5) PvP Protection will be reduced to 7 / 30 / 100 Fallen Sword Points respectively for 24 hours / 7 days/ 28 days. [2011-04-02 14:46:44] 6) Change PvP Token distribution on 600+ PvP Ladder bands to 5 / 3 / 2 / 1 / 1.d!] [2011-04-02 14:47:37] Are we all agreed on that? :) [2011-04-02 14:47:43] =-= Mode #fallensword -m by PonyT [2011-04-02 14:47:43] Yes I am [2011-04-02 14:47:44] I think it is rediculous to ask to open the bands for higher levels so they can have more targets to pvp with AND give more tokens. they just got more targets to hit which is what was wanted. if you change tokens change it for everyone. [2011-04-02 14:47:46] agreed [2011-04-02 14:47:47] yep [2011-04-02 14:47:48] ye [2011-04-02 14:47:52] However I do feel ignored on my idea [2011-04-02 14:47:54] hoof, please change the reset time so it's not :30 :) that's the only addition I would add [2011-04-02 14:47:55] I agree [2011-04-02 14:47:56] I'm okay with all of that besides #1, but I doubt that one's up for debate. [2011-04-02 14:47:56] no... :) [2011-04-02 14:48:00] but perhaps thats another topic I guess [2011-04-02 14:48:03] or so it seems [2011-04-02 14:48:07] lynn, that lowers tokens [2011-04-02 14:48:13] I agree with Charlie Sheen [2011-04-02 14:48:18] Gazoo make a forum about the MT rating you know you'll get support their anyways [2011-04-02 14:48:19] lol pb [2011-04-02 14:48:21] The problem with the system lies Fully in the reset times! [2011-04-02 14:48:22] something just dawned o me lol [2011-04-02 14:48:25] Ok guys so is it agreed? [2011-04-02 14:48:27] ok i get it [2011-04-02 14:48:28] We can change the reset times too. [2011-04-02 14:48:38] totally randomise them [2011-04-02 14:48:46] bang the gavel thingy, next subject [2011-04-02 14:48:46] yes random resets [2011-04-02 14:48:47] not 00.00 or 00.15 [2011-04-02 14:48:49] complete random resets would be lovely [2011-04-02 14:48:53] a misc reset time other than :30 is def needed [2011-04-02 14:48:54] yes to 5,3,1,1, [2011-04-02 14:48:55] 7/4/3/2/1? [2011-04-02 14:49:03] i would like totally random resets... [2011-04-02 14:49:04] yes that was agreed [2011-04-02 14:49:06] random iz good [2011-04-02 14:49:08] Materuer No [2011-04-02 14:49:09] 7) Improve PvP Ladder reset times. [2011-04-02 14:49:10] :) [2011-04-02 14:49:14] good! [2011-04-02 14:49:14] i like rests at :30 [2011-04-02 14:49:15] yes [2011-04-02 14:49:17] yes,please randomize reset time.. [2011-04-02 14:49:20] No [2011-04-02 14:49:25] we need random times [2011-04-02 14:49:28] more skill then just piling in with 3 mins to go [2011-04-02 14:49:30] yes [2011-04-02 14:49:30] random is good but not too long,,48 hours is a good time commitment [2011-04-02 14:49:36] Either random, or sub 24 hours to make people actually have to pvp instead of logging in at the 24-30 hour mark and only pvp for an hour and win [2011-04-02 14:49:36] I agree PB [2011-04-02 14:49:37] we can do that :) [2011-04-02 14:49:40] Agreed, randomize the times, fix the BB, and this will be a great update :D [2011-04-02 14:49:40] (we al have to sleep sometime!) [2011-04-02 14:49:43] random times = less last minute limbers.. or pokes [2011-04-02 14:49:48] 7) Improve randomization of PvP Ladder reset times. [2011-04-02 14:49:48] :P [2011-04-02 14:49:49] But dont u think that with this new systam a random reset is pointless? [2011-04-02 14:49:50] 24 hrs is very short [2011-04-02 14:49:52] nice [2011-04-02 14:49:54] spot on [2011-04-02 14:49:56] We need a big difference between 1st and 2nd [2011-04-02 14:49:57] CAn i make a suggestion quickly??????? [2011-04-02 14:50:02] 8) fix the bounty board xp bug [2011-04-02 14:50:03] ramdom with a ime limit between 24 hrs ? [2011-04-02 14:50:04] Chazz: what was your idea I missed sorry? [2011-04-02 14:50:08] O wait. Nvm. just contridicted self [2011-04-02 14:50:09] Time* [2011-04-02 14:50:16] 9) bb rewards [2011-04-02 14:50:25] 9) Hold many more discussions as the one we're currently having. [2011-04-02 14:50:27] even 24 hours can be aneternity when you stay up for them all [2011-04-02 14:50:27] Oh I was asking about throwing in new rewards compontents, with failure rates [2011-04-02 14:50:29] bounty board doesent need rewards... [2011-04-02 14:50:30] 24-48 hrs is perfect, just the :30 reset needs changed [2011-04-02 14:50:31] sust: ? [2011-04-02 14:50:37] aa: they are good eh? :) [2011-04-02 14:50:49] they are good? [2011-04-02 14:50:59] PonyT: is the chat logged so other players can view it all? [2011-04-02 14:51:02] surely give others some chance as well GreatGazoo [2011-04-02 14:51:02] Theypre great :) [2011-04-02 14:51:05] Yes it is [2011-04-02 14:51:06] They are? I think if we throw some new crazy items in there more people will opt in [2011-04-02 14:51:07] rewards on bb would keep the bb running hot [2011-04-02 14:51:08] yeah it is Hoof [2011-04-02 14:51:09] I log it personally as well [2011-04-02 14:51:14] PonyT: cool :) [2011-04-02 14:51:16] Hoofmaster, could i just ask, will you extend again on buffs etc for gamedown? [2011-04-02 14:51:17] I'll have to clean up server notifications and op commands [2011-04-02 14:51:28] I think if the NEW RESOURCES can fail people will play just as hard [2011-04-02 14:51:34] #Fastball [2011-04-02 14:51:35] PonyT: if you could link it to the forum after that would be cool :) [2011-04-02 14:51:38] spend more fsp on pots for inventing and so on [2011-04-02 14:51:45] My log? [2011-04-02 14:51:46] sure [2011-04-02 14:51:54] Chazz: new reward components? [2011-04-02 14:51:57] Yes [2011-04-02 14:52:00] Is this debate almost over Hoof? [2011-04-02 14:52:03] I'm going to post the summary in a new thread [2011-04-02 14:52:04] Keep people opting into the ladder [2011-04-02 14:52:10] on topic still, should the new changes kill the bb, then would bb rewards be feasible? [2011-04-02 14:52:13] LOL I already buy extractor because I wont risk being the one in a million that did fail on a amoeba [2011-04-02 14:52:15] but it would be cool if other players could view the discussion :) [2011-04-02 14:52:17] gamedown supposed to be in 10 mins [2011-04-02 14:52:23] but as we have low token rewards make the NEW COMPONTETS PRICEY [2011-04-02 14:52:23] yes [2011-04-02 14:52:33] Hoof if you'd like I can clean up some of the un needed stuff [2011-04-02 14:52:34] can we do online resets? i get worried while im asleep lol jsut incase im being hit.... [2011-04-02 14:52:36] Chazz: we can add more PvP Rewards - that is fine :) [2011-04-02 14:52:48] Chazz, I fear we're looking at 10-15 people per band anyway, with half of them stopping after one or two tries when they're mercilessly beat down since there's only a handful to fight anyway. [2011-04-02 14:52:53] instead of 5 pvp pts... to obtain the item make it 15 oe 20 but make the item worth it with a risk of failure [2011-04-02 14:52:55] PonyT: sure - no hurry [2011-04-02 14:53:01] Right on [2011-04-02 14:53:04] I'll get right on it [2011-04-02 14:53:10] ok everyone [2011-04-02 14:53:15] Thank you for your feedback [2011-04-02 14:53:18] Nope... that's why I want the new items [2011-04-02 14:53:19] byee hoofy! [2011-04-02 14:53:21] I love cheese [2011-04-02 14:53:22] and participation in the chat [2011-04-02 14:53:25] anythoughts to sliding pvp point transfer based on last activity of target ? [2011-04-02 14:53:26] yw [2011-04-02 14:53:27] people will be money hungry for them as always [2011-04-02 14:53:28] thanks Hoof [2011-04-02 14:53:30] Aww man, you're going? [2011-04-02 14:53:31] I'm going to post the summary up on the forum in a sec [2011-04-02 14:53:31] and more people will opt in [2011-04-02 14:53:32] Thanks for visiting us hoof :) [2011-04-02 14:53:33] thanks for listening hoof! [2011-04-02 14:53:36] Thanks for asking our opinion Hoof =) [2011-04-02 14:53:36] Ty [2011-04-02 14:53:37] and you're welcome to comment on it :) [2011-04-02 14:53:38] we should do this more often hoof ;) [2011-04-02 14:53:38] meaning more pvp and more targets [2011-04-02 14:53:39] thanks for chattin [2011-04-02 14:53:39] Hoofmaster xxx [2011-04-02 14:53:40] and so on [2011-04-02 14:53:40] thanks and cheers [2011-04-02 14:53:42] Thank you hoof [2011-04-02 14:53:44] Feel free to drop buy [2011-04-02 14:53:44] Maeh: sure :) [2011-04-02 14:53:46] <3 love u hoofy! [2011-04-02 14:53:49] also everyone else [2011-04-02 14:53:52] thanks hoof [2011-04-02 14:53:55] I seriously doubt it will work, but still.. We'll see what's up. Hope it goes well regardless [2011-04-02 14:53:55] Free the PB one! [2011-04-02 14:53:58] yes +10 I love the chat here [2011-04-02 14:54:00] if you all would like you can make separate rooms here for personal or guild use